tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post4249579648185577880..comments2024-02-04T05:13:04.501-05:00Comments on Nik at Nite: Lost 5.01/5.02 RevisitedNikki Staffordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04463618183850438914noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-88406112546824042842009-04-05T10:54:00.000-04:002009-04-05T10:54:00.000-04:00@elvisgrace: this is just a semantics issue, but y...@elvisgrace: this is just a semantics issue, but your comment is contradicting. Not that the idea itself is wrong. Let me explain.<BR/><BR/>The definition of "always happened" in time mechanics suggests that in between the past event X <B>(going to Oxford in 1996)</B> and the time Y where an observer is sent back to trigger X <B>(In 2004, Desmond told to go to Oxford)</B>, the event itself had happened. Thus in 1996, before Daniel tells Desmond to go back, he had already gone back.<BR/><BR/><I>Always</I> means that, at any point in time from X onward, X had happened, even before year Y when the past event X was itself triggered. Time/history is a hard line that is stamped into existence and not drawn.<BR/><BR/>Your suggestion is of <I>non-linear objective time</I>. History itself does not go forward from 1996-1997-...-2004-2005, but can consist of loops, just as <I>subjective time</I> can. Thus history would happen as such:<BR/><BR/>1996-1997-...-2004-1996(b)-1997(b)-...<BR/><BR/>In the b-occurrence, the event X has always happened, that much is true. This is analogous to drawing a line and, in 2004, lifting your pencil and starting again from 1996, tracing over the already existing 1996-2004 segment. With the same analogy, if objective time is linear but can be changed, one would erase the segment from 1996 to 2004 and than restart from 1996.<BR/><BR/>I like the idea, since it could suggest that in 1974-1977, we are also seeing the development of <I>non-linear objective time</I>, which would be in defense of the theory that the 'chronological past' can be altered.<BR/><BR/>I hope this brings clarity to my semantics issue. Note that I understand what you mean by "catching up", but in the grand scheme of things, there is an entire environment affected by such actions.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-2134064461319978322009-04-05T03:06:00.000-04:002009-04-05T03:06:00.000-04:00ETA: Daniel's convo doesn't change history, becaus...ETA: Daniel's convo doesn't change history, because the event it triggered (Desmond going to Oxford)hadn't happened yet. But after it did happen, it had always happened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-52022127523990490052009-04-05T02:59:00.000-04:002009-04-05T02:59:00.000-04:00Desmond couldn't have the memory until Daniel's pr...Desmond couldn't have the memory until Daniel's present caught up with Desmond's past.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-81284472073178652062009-01-28T19:33:00.000-05:002009-01-28T19:33:00.000-05:00Hello friends! I think the survivors have anothe...Hello friends!<BR/><BR/><BR/> I think the survivors have another daddy issue to sort out.<BR/><BR/> Father Time!Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10659132984965173042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-73958935955936351862009-01-28T09:52:00.000-05:002009-01-28T09:52:00.000-05:00@mgkoelnI saw that one too. The problem I have wit...@mgkoeln<BR/><BR/>I saw that one too. The problem I have with it is that the sting is distinctly under Sawyer's big toe. From the statue's caption, it doesn't seem to be missing a big toe, unless it was a huge one.<BR/><BR/>As well, when we look at the statue, all toes seem to be proportional to each other, and none seem missing (if someone was to have five toes).Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-60671241292139024802009-01-28T02:59:00.000-05:002009-01-28T02:59:00.000-05:00A great theory about the four-toed statue popped u...A great theory about the four-toed statue popped up on another board: Maybe Sawyer hurting his foot results in some infection so that he needs to get rid of one toe (Ouch!). And maybe he then jumps back in time and leaves a lasting impression on the island's early inhabitants. Wouldn't a giant Sawyer statue be great?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-79064431941008983972009-01-27T23:23:00.000-05:002009-01-27T23:23:00.000-05:00Desmond being special is certainly the key! To wha...Desmond being special is certainly the key! To what extent and how exactly (blowing the Swan sure is a factor) is still up for grabs.<BR/><BR/>There isn't much scientific reading that I can suggest (unless you are already well versed in physics, in which case you would probably know them). Most of my own understanding comes from science fiction. <BR/><BR/>Understanding the relationship between space and time is a good start, and for that I would recommend <I>A Brief history of Time</I> by Mr Hawking. As for understanding time as a fourth dimension, I can only recommend <I>Slaughterhouse-Five</I> by Kurt Vonnegut and also, there's a good debate of the concept in <B>-NERD ALERT-</B> the first episode of <I>Star Trek: Deep Space Nine</I>, when Sisko meets the Prophets.<BR/><BR/>I guess the rest comes from a hint of imagination/visualization mixed with random online readings and a dash (or barrel) of movies/tv shows/reading!Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-169267588790169992009-01-27T23:03:00.000-05:002009-01-27T23:03:00.000-05:00@ BennyI see flaw in my thinking... I also do thin...@ Benny<BR/>I see flaw in my thinking... I also do think that again somehow the "rules" (whatever they maybe since no one seems entirely sure yet) don't apply to Desmond. Him being "uniquely and miraculously special" seems to confirm that in my opinion. Also I was wondering if you could point me to some additional reading about spacial dimensions specifically theories about the 4th spacial dimension. <BR/><BR/>I am starting to think I need some kind of advanced degree to fully process and converse about the show. Not in a bad way but in the sense that talking about all these theories makes me want to read and learn so I can continue to discuss things intelligently. (As much as one can sound sane debating controversial unproven theories about time travel)YolandaAshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15299286197143406811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-53017873047431297472009-01-27T17:40:00.000-05:002009-01-27T17:40:00.000-05:00One theory of the show (possibly an off-child from...One theory of the show (possibly an off-child from the time loop theory - which I'm not a big fan of, due to its many lapses and inconsistencies) is that some group is trying to dislodge time from its spacial counterpart, making it possible to change time.<BR/><BR/>This plays in the fate v. free will debate/aspect of <I>Lost</I>. If time was an actual fourth dimension - think Slaughterhouse-Five - then fate is the decisive force. If time is taken out of spacial dimensions, then it is non-determined and two possible results can come into play:<BR/><BR/>1- Time can be changed by altering the past and modifying an established timeline; or<BR/>2- The future is not pre-determined (i.e. not a space) and thus free-will is the driving force.<BR/><BR/>This is all theoretical, and one would have to consider that time being a 4th spacial dimension is an actual fact.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-45587682312983706312009-01-27T17:33:00.000-05:002009-01-27T17:33:00.000-05:00@Yolanda:Non-linear time (the fourth spacial dimen...@Yolanda:<BR/><BR/>Non-linear time (the fourth spacial dimension) is not completely out of the question. But if I get what you're saying correctly...<BR/><BR/>This would mean that anyone ANYTIME, would be affected. So Locke being shot by Ethan would suggests him getting temporarily paralyzed in everytime.<BR/><BR/>The same goes for Desmond. Daniel suddenly talking to him would mean Desmond has the same knowledge in 2008 and 2005 (when getting rescued) and even ON the island prior to the rescue!<BR/><BR/>In the case of Desmond, I think there's more at play than just time being non-linear.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-14203195397471005702009-01-27T16:22:00.000-05:002009-01-27T16:22:00.000-05:00hey guys, its been crazy trying to follow all the ...hey guys, <BR/><BR/>its been crazy trying to follow all the posting.... but I wanted to follow up on Daniel's visit with Desmond. I think we have to stop thinking of time in a linear fashion. So basically if happens to someone at any point in their life it happens at all points in their life. i.e. Desmond woke up with new knowledge in the future when Daniel spoke to him in the past. Or Locke being temporarilty paralyzed in the future when Ethan shot him in the past. I don't know if this really makes any sense or not but I think if you stop considering events linearly its less confusing.... maybe.. not... at all really....YolandaAshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15299286197143406811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-473998029286711962009-01-26T19:53:00.000-05:002009-01-26T19:53:00.000-05:00I loved the return of Ethan in this episode. Peopl...I loved the return of Ethan in this episode. People have been saying that it makes no sense that Ethan has met Locke previously but I think it makes perfect sense.<BR/>Ethan made his first appearance in 1.09 Solitary and I always thought it was weird that he suddenly decided to go hunting with Locke. Why did he suddenly attatch himself to Locke but with this new information it may hint that Ethan recognised Locke from the past. If he saw Locke on the beach he may have realised he had been telling the truth about what happened to him and attempted to find out more information on him.A.G.Woodinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08069481435844624860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-91890211122167066142009-01-26T15:36:00.000-05:002009-01-26T15:36:00.000-05:00Gary: I too thought of WWII when I saw the men in ...Gary: I too thought of WWII when I saw the men in uniforms. It instantly reminded me that Sayid and Hurley picked up a radio station playing WWII-era music in <I>The Long Con</I> from Season 2. In fact <A HREF="http://http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Moonlight_Serenade/" REL="nofollow">Lostpedia</A> has their exchange as this:<BR/><BR/><I>Sayid mentioned that the radio could be picking up signals from anywhere in the world. Hurley cleverly responds "Or any time. Just kidding, dude."</I><BR/><BR/>I think Hurley was unknowingly on to something there...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00301996207480332999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-44632964481973219542009-01-26T15:28:00.000-05:002009-01-26T15:28:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00301996207480332999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-4600215873421992992009-01-26T13:32:00.000-05:002009-01-26T13:32:00.000-05:00That's it! It's Miles that Dr Chang (Marvin) feeds...That's it! It's Miles that Dr Chang (Marvin) feeds. Miles is there on the island looking for his daddy. Failing that, I suppose it could just as easily be Jin? Could it be that Jin's Mother had an affair when Jin was a baby and hooked up with Dr Chang somehow? After all, that's what she was into. Maybe Jin's fisherman dad isn't his dad after all?Jason Paul Tolmiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00962392193350051397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-72135781450083929712009-01-26T11:00:00.000-05:002009-01-26T11:00:00.000-05:00@M9:The general thought on the boards was that it ...@M9:<BR/>The general thought on the boards was that it might be Miles rather than Sun. We have no information on Miles' past but we have a pretty definite background of Sun.<BR/><BR/>@Sparty:<BR/>There most likely is a significance between the two. Chang is adamant no dynamite can be used. Mrs Hawking's comment comes as a result of the circumstance surrounding Ben turning that exact wheel.<BR/><BR/>As for the incident, it referred to the incident at the Swan, with the magnetic reactor in that closed up room. But we cannot be certain if it is that incident that did indeed cost Candle's arm!Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-55427028925190018572009-01-26T10:18:00.000-05:002009-01-26T10:18:00.000-05:00Is there any significance to what Dr. Chang said a...Is there any significance to what Dr. Chang said at the beginning of 5.01 and what Mrs. Hawking said at the end of 5.02? As my fuzzy memory recalls, when asked what would happen if they kept digging under the orchid station, Dr. Chang said "God help us all." And when Ben asked what would happen if it took longer than 70 hours to get back to the island, Mrs. Hawking said, "God help us all." Would the same thing happen in both circumstances? Was this "the incident" that cost Dr. Chang his arm?Sparty_Cyclonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07987859749800091889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-58830305213933239952009-01-26T05:03:00.000-05:002009-01-26T05:03:00.000-05:00Hi all bloggers, coming in from the UK so only saw...Hi all bloggers, coming in from the UK so only saw the new episodes last night.......excellent although it did keep me awake for hours afterwards thinking !<BR/>One thought I have is concerning the Darhma man (the guy who presents the films), In the episode when he wakes up in the morning he feeds a baby...could this be Sun ?....M9 EGOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04953944098834603403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-14967193007042053852009-01-25T22:14:00.000-05:002009-01-25T22:14:00.000-05:00Biggest GASP moment: The return of... VINCENT! LOL...Biggest GASP moment: The return of... VINCENT! LOLAndrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00469322959395420195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-63508178110673659562009-01-25T21:10:00.000-05:002009-01-25T21:10:00.000-05:00Hey Nikki! and hello to all my fellow Lost fans fr...Hey Nikki! and hello to all my fellow Lost fans frequenting Nikki's blog. I've been a passionate and loyal fan of the show since the very first episode and I'm so thrilled that season 5 is here!<BR/> I just wanted to say Nikki how I've enjoyed reading your episode guides for the show and I'm looking forward to reading your season 4 book.<BR/><BR/> I have a few comments and theories from the first two new episodes of the new season and welcome any and all discussion!<BR/><BR/> Regarding the army men in the green uniforms and name tags:<BR/> I think they might have something to do with what Hurley had learned when he went to Australia to investigate the numbers. He met with Sam Toomey's wife and was told that Sam and Leonard had been in the service together and were stationed at a listening post in the Pacific and discovered the numbers through a transmission they picked up. I think Sam and Leonard might have been a part of this group of men.<BR/> I believe there might be a World War II connection here. Maybe the time shifts have brought the survivors into contact with allied servicemen who were stranded or purposely based on the island during the war. Wouldn't it be so cool to encounter American or Japanese soldiers on the island that are being shifted through time! A lot of people thought Dharma when seeing these men but as soon as I saw the green uniforms, I thought World War II.<BR/> I've always felt as though the island itself was as much a character as the characters themselves and thus it's backstory would be shown eventually. Now we see how that is going to be done. Here's hoping we see Rousseau's backstory in this way! Broke my heart to see her shot last season.<BR/><BR/>A word about the time shifting itself:<BR/><BR/> It seems to be similar to what Desmond experienced in "The Constant". When he shifted, he left most memories behind but retained some. The island leaves some "memories" such as objects,artifacts or people behind while taking others with it jumps.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Glad to be online and sharing my passion with all my friends! Until we meet again in front of the tv next Wednesday!! Take care and be safe folks!Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10659132984965173042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-11383959523779919122009-01-25T20:41:00.000-05:002009-01-25T20:41:00.000-05:00Oh, and Jason, I don't think Lapidus is going to w...Oh, and Jason, I don't think Lapidus is going to wind up on the island in a pilot's uniform...it sounds like it's a flashback story. Can't wait! :)Jazzygirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08451286913250300082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-33472805408273884502009-01-25T20:39:00.001-05:002009-01-25T20:39:00.001-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jazzygirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08451286913250300082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-5143915550917209422009-01-25T20:39:00.000-05:002009-01-25T20:39:00.000-05:00I rewatched the episodes tonight and I have to say...I rewatched the episodes tonight and I have to say it was a bit easier to follow the second time around. LOL Of course reading everyone's input helped to anchor some things that were happening. <BR/>I wanted to add for what it's worth that I watched the dishwasher scene in slow motion and to me, when his pant leg lifted, it looked like a real leg with dark skin...just skinny. <BR/>I didn't catch the whole Mrs. Hawking as Daniel's mother thing the first time until you guys talked about it. Now it's so obvious. LOL Also didn't notice that Penny and Desmond were married when he woke up. It's all still so confusing but yes, fun.Jazzygirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08451286913250300082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-22694517969273824162009-01-25T19:03:00.000-05:002009-01-25T19:03:00.000-05:00Wow! Just watched the first two episodes here in t...Wow! Just watched the first two episodes here in the UK. Gotta try and get my head round what is happening! I got over 120 comments to read now:) <BR/><BR/>Nikki, I'm glad to say that Lapidus does in fact make a return later on in the series as I saw a show made for Sky One here in the UK (aired just before tonights two episodes) featuring comedian and massive Lost fan Iain Lee. He was on set with the cast & crew during the filming of episode 9 & 10 for the new season 5 and although nothing important is given away, in the background Lapidus is seen wearing what basically amounts to the uniform that an airline captain would wear. After all, he was supposed to be the pilot of Oceanic Flight 815 in the beginning. One can only wonder how he ends up on the island in an airliners pilot uniform? Can't wait to find out!<BR/><BR/>Let me apologize in advance Nikki if this spoils anything and by all means delete my post asap.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Jae:)Jason Paul Tolmiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00962392193350051397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-42951988924492667802009-01-25T16:27:00.000-05:002009-01-25T16:27:00.000-05:00@Anonymous:Riiiiiiiight! Forgot...Thanks for clear...@Anonymous:<BR/><BR/>Riiiiiiiight! Forgot...<BR/>Thanks for clearing it up, we now have confirmation.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.com