tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post5323503782146007352..comments2024-02-04T05:13:04.501-05:00Comments on Nik at Nite: Richard in ChainsNikki Staffordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04463618183850438914noreply@blogger.comBlogger67125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-2316816321864511382010-02-09T10:18:49.048-05:002010-02-09T10:18:49.048-05:00Lostlass said: I still think Jacob is "good&...Lostlass said: I still think Jacob is "good" because I repeatedly see compassion<br />in him, which sometimes gets the better of him and causes him to <br />"interfere" in human lives. MIB means well but does not feel any empathy with the frailty of humans (Eko, Locke, Ben, etc)<br /><br />I think you're right on the money here. Plus, I don't get creepy vibes from Jacob at all, only the completely palatable ones! Either way, I'm glad Richard/Nestor in chains is in the starting line up this season because he is just beautiful.<br /><br />Am I the only one longing to know the answers and to watch it all play out, while at the same time hoping that May 23rd doesn't actually get here so that it doesn't have to end?<br /><br />VW: undotsiv = the sequal to the movie undotsiiiLisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17741911713676667076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-55325265944808054242010-02-09T00:02:50.055-05:002010-02-09T00:02:50.055-05:00"...felt to me like it took place much earlie..."...felt to me like it took place much earlier than 1845"<br /><br />Blam won't admit this in public but he is a bit of a fashionista and he is well aware that the tattered pants and billowy shirt combo Jacob was sporting was <i>so</i> over by 1845.<br /><br />No context, indeed *wink*Joan Crawfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04513335615114222374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-35203659018477307792010-02-08T23:25:16.469-05:002010-02-08T23:25:16.469-05:00I don't know that the S5-finale ship's wre...I don't know that the S5-finale ship's wreckage would be on the Island. That opening scene with Jacob and "Esau" felt to me like it took place much earlier than 1845 (granted, we have almost no context), which is one reason why I never assumed the ship was was TBR; the remains could be sunk or have disintegrated over time. And I always subscribed to the theory that the Island materialized right from under TBR, beaching it, whereas this ship was clearly approaching the Island by sea.<br />...<br />VW: <i>inwon</i> — What happened when my cat went to the door and saw a couple feet of snow.Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-84495538295926401222010-02-08T22:34:47.707-05:002010-02-08T22:34:47.707-05:00I don't know...it's a possibility...but th...I don't know...it's a possibility...but the odds are also pretty good that it's the Black Rock... how many ships like the Black Rock made it to the island? It seems odd to introduce a new ship at this point and makes more sense that the ship in season 5 is the Black Rock.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-30476058769229371212010-02-08T20:48:43.595-05:002010-02-08T20:48:43.595-05:00Have Damon & Carlton said anyplace that the sh...Have Damon & Carlton said anyplace that the ship in the S5 finale was <i>The Black Rock</i>? 'Cause I didn't think it was at the time and still don't. <br />...<br />VW: <i>pective</i> — Afflicted by nervous spasms of the chest muscles.Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-57364733288964542732010-02-08T20:11:55.501-05:002010-02-08T20:11:55.501-05:00Excellent point Anonymous. Just because we saw the...Excellent point Anonymous. Just because we saw the Black Rock at the end of season 5 we have all become fixated on it. As Jacob and MiB's conversation revealed, many people came to the island BEFORE the Black Rock.Ali Bagshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04826228234954697951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-67044065129268119012010-02-08T14:27:05.595-05:002010-02-08T14:27:05.595-05:00A lot of people are speculating that the "cha...A lot of people are speculating that the "chains" comment refers to Richard being a slave on the Black Rock. The Black Rock set sail in 1845. I get the feeling that Richard is A LOT older than 200 years. Also, he gives off an Egyptian vibe to me, not African. So I think the chains refer to something else. I think he might have been an Egyptian slave, brought over to build the statue and/or the temple.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-34327090137320946322010-02-08T01:19:51.549-05:002010-02-08T01:19:51.549-05:00I had a question about Richard and that was why di...I had a question about Richard and that was why didn't the MIB just kill him already. If Richard is on the Jacob team then you'd think that the MIB would want that complication neutralized. But then again if Jacob and MIB are in some kind of eternal game maybe Richard is some sort of referee? Someone has to remind all players of the rules.Rufushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01235495530302299763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-38574487469217225662010-02-07T23:38:11.039-05:002010-02-07T23:38:11.039-05:00This is off topic but.... Nikki! When are we final...This is off topic but.... Nikki! When are we finally going to get to see what was in that package! I'm losing sleep over this ;)<br /><br /><br />VW: quortur - the coin that comes after nikkuls and dymesRebecca T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11994380364321336824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-21235636978029020072010-02-07T20:10:25.570-05:002010-02-07T20:10:25.570-05:00@Jenn - Heroin-Hobbits Hahaha!@Jenn - <b>Heroin-Hobbits</b> Hahaha!Joan Crawfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04513335615114222374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-46673532501148121122010-02-07T20:08:00.658-05:002010-02-07T20:08:00.658-05:00Hey Nik! Hey Guys! I was wondering if we could hav...Hey Nik! Hey Guys! I was wondering if we could have some kind of analytical debate on Lost and feminism?<br />I've been reading forums all over the place and have seen the discussion dissolve into frustration. I know that we're capable of a civil discussion and the subject has intrigued me lately. Is that cool, Nik?ninja raidenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14678201901265468137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-87453525985189622362010-02-07T19:20:36.995-05:002010-02-07T19:20:36.995-05:00Lostlass here
Eeek. I worry that I am about to
v...Lostlass here<br /><br />Eeek. I worry that I am about to <br />venture in over my head but...my vote is that "chains" is metaphorical (although I have enjoyed all the comments to the contrary!) The following is hardly original, but a summary of my thoughts combined with many of yours.<br /><br />MIB hates Jacob because he feels Jacob is a manipulator. MIB thinks people on the Island (perhaps Eden, perhaps the Universe) should be free and the only way to free the people is to kill Jacob. <br /><br />Jacob always wants people to <br />"choose" but also thinks they need/deserve a "push" now and then.<br /><br />To me this is the classic argument between "lucifer" and "god". "god" claims to believe in "free will" and has given it as a gift to mankind but knows mankind will use the gift poorly, therefore "god" allows himself to intervene to <br />"help" man do better.<br />(abraham/moses/jesus, etc. or...<br />individual significant visits to the O6)<br /><br />"Lucifer" says quit interfering, you hypocrit, if they really have free will, let them do what they want, quit manipulating. Hence, MIB's comment to Bram and his comment to Richard - which I take to mean that Richard, whatever his history, is now free of Jacob's <br />"lordship".<br /><br />I still think Jacob is "good" because I repeatedly see compassion<br />in him, which sometimes gets the better of him and causes him to <br />"interfere" in human lives. MIB means well but does not feel any empathy with the frailty of humans (Eko, Locke, Ben, etc)<br /><br />Jacob does not care for Ben because in his mind, Ben has used his free will so horribly, including "summoning" the MIB on occasion. <br /><br />Finally I think the reason we are not 100% sure of Jacob is, good writing and good casting. The actor has such edge about him, he can't help but earn our suspicions.<br /><br />Oh and I agree with the person who said we are about to see something to do with Christian - which is why the Others want to talk to Jack privately. <br /><br />Come on Tuesday! 8~)<br /><br />LostlassAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-57730731953655435542010-02-07T16:05:42.636-05:002010-02-07T16:05:42.636-05:00"We could take this literally – Alpert was a ..."We could take this literally – Alpert was a slave on the Black Rock, and the Man in Black was the slavemaster… or another slave…"<br /><br />I see no implication that Man in Black and Richard came to the island together, as I am pretty sure the MIB/Jacob relationship goes back farther than the arrival of the Black Rock (and especially since we see the Black Rock in the Season 5 finale). I am inclined to think they are not as closely connected as that. But Richard being an agent of Jacob would put him on the sh*tlist for MIB by default.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-57005544670373711462010-02-07T13:57:24.080-05:002010-02-07T13:57:24.080-05:00@JS: ...from [Jacob’s] seemingly benign interacti...@JS: <i> ...from [Jacob’s] seemingly benign interaction, asking Sayid for directions,...“Sayid - let me keep you from being hit by that car” </i> <br /><br />Jacob’s contact with Sayid seemed just the opposite to me. He kept Sayid from getting hit by the car, but it appeared to me that Jacob waited deliberately until Nadia was in the path of the speeding car and then distracted Sayid. I thought Jacob “killed” Nadia so he could get Sayid’s “undivided attention” and that has always disturbed me.<br /><br />Word Verf: <i> staxe </i>: 1. Patron Saint of wood choppers; 2. How the choppers store the wood.Zarihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03179474701017566772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-87169084624801965012010-02-07T11:57:18.008-05:002010-02-07T11:57:18.008-05:00So many times we wanted to hear the name of MiB, b...So many times we wanted to hear the name of MiB, but were always diverted. Richard merely says, "you." So perhaps looking at Exodus, since that was even a title to an episode, might help. One angel of death, and not always considered good, is Samael. According to Wikipedia, he is considered Esau's guardian angel, the snake tempting Eve, and one who wrestled with Jacob. <br /><br />So there is a best bet on MiB's name: Samael.Fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474623954925835867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-2112101223405119412010-02-07T10:21:21.377-05:002010-02-07T10:21:21.377-05:00I realized my first post didn't go through. I...I realized my first post didn't go through. I loved when Juliet said "You son of a bitch". Same comment by Roy Schendier in JAWS! Right before he blew the great white to smithereens. Just like the atom bomb!CBP68noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-51197166413886954592010-02-07T10:17:27.980-05:002010-02-07T10:17:27.980-05:00Could the emergence of Not John Locke have anythin...Could the emergence of Not John Locke have anything to do with his comment "I am so disappointed in all of you!" have to do with Noah and the island under water??? I am so convinced that the Biblical references are so similiar. And my earlier comment about JAWS has to be correct with the Dharma symbol on the shark. I am convinced. Maybe a LOST writer is a JAWS fan! It totally concides with the time travel to when the movie premiered in 1975.CBP68noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-61843708565861033302010-02-07T10:05:52.631-05:002010-02-07T10:05:52.631-05:00@Benny - Yeah, MiB saying they were now free throw...@Benny - Yeah, MiB saying they were now free throws a wrench into this theory. In most instances, though Jacob's interactions are a little different with each person he touches -- from the seemingly benign interaction (asking Sayid for directions, giving Jack a candy bar), all the way through asking them to do something specific (asking Ilana and Hurley to go back to the island). I guess you can either see that as a gentle push in the right direction and/or asking them to make the choice, or his touch at those key events being the thing that makes them come back.<br /><br />Jack - a little push<br />Kate - you won't do that again, will you<br />Sawyer - I'm sorry, here's a pen if you want to write that letter<br />Locke - I'm sorry, I'll bring you back to life<br />Sayid - let me keep you from being hit by that car<br />Ilana - I need your help<br />Hurley - Please go back to the island<br /><br /><br />Definitely will be looking for this on Tuesday.JShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06219841452322761803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-58099755472807814792010-02-07T07:35:03.434-05:002010-02-07T07:35:03.434-05:00Great comments everyone, got me thinking - what if...Great comments everyone, got me thinking - what if Richard is no longer immortal now that Jacob is dead. Thus the "good to see you out of those chains"?<br /><br />Apologies if someone has already bought this idea to the table!bowlhednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-90138852970446858722010-02-07T07:21:06.484-05:002010-02-07T07:21:06.484-05:00I don't know how relevant this is, but we'...I don't know how relevant this is, but we've seen at least 3 deaths involving chains: - <br /><br />Locke's dad<br />Suicide on freighter<br />JulietAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-82700594778260865212010-02-06T23:48:02.827-05:002010-02-06T23:48:02.827-05:00Didn't know where to put this idea, so here so...Didn't know where to put this idea, so here sounds as good as any. The last scenes of the LA X where concerning Christian's body. Lennon comes in saying he wants to speak to Jack in person. My guess is they were going to show Jack his father's body. It makes sense that when the plane crashed, the Temple Others went out to look around and found Christian's coffin. Knowing MiB's propensity for assuming dead bodies shapes, they took the body away. That would be why the coffin was empty. But MiB had already seen the body of Christian, which is why Jack saw him on the beach.<br /><br />The only hitch I have about this is when Christian appeared in the water. Was that his ghost?Fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474623954925835867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-766203427340138062010-02-06T22:53:29.267-05:002010-02-06T22:53:29.267-05:00@Blam
Hmmm. Never thought of that aspect of the ...@Blam<br /><br />Hmmm. Never thought of that aspect of the "What id Jacob is evil," thing, but you're right. That would leave a sour taste in many people's mouths (most notably, in Joan Crawford's mouth). It will be inetersting to see where Darlton lead us and our character loyalties this season. Great point!<br /><br />VW: rollymen. Men that roll, of course!JennMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05754816706901976659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-14164573737912683702010-02-06T22:14:23.847-05:002010-02-06T22:14:23.847-05:00@JS: That's how many of us have seen it, but w...<b>@JS:</b> That's how many of us have seen it, but with the way the nemesis says to Bram how they are now free, this made me think he could represent free will. Jacob's touch could be pre-determination, or Jacob changing their destiny.<br /><br />But again this is just an impression, not quite what I ultimately think.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-79845925982918899522010-02-06T22:05:37.343-05:002010-02-06T22:05:37.343-05:00@Nikki - LOL. I could TOTALLY see that episode of...@Nikki - LOL. I could TOTALLY see that episode of Project Island Runway.<br /><br />We keep talking about good and evil, and it just isn't sitting right with me. To date, LOST has been more about faith/destiny v. science/free will. Although, I could see science joined with destiny (scientific laws and all) and faith representing free will (that whole leap of faith thing)……<br /><br />Anyway, since S5 finale, I have thought of Jacob as Free Will and of MiBS as Destiny. Jacob influences, pushes and suggests, but always under the guise of the characters making their own choices, in their own interest. He is overt in his manipulation.<br /><br />Smokey, on the other hand, has been about faith, belief, judgment, redemption. And, the nature of man. He believes they will always end up the same way, doing what they were meant to do, be destructive. He manipulated the characters as well, but much more subtly, with them thinking they were making their own choices, when what they were really doing was his bidding, to their detriment. See trail of dead people, dead confused Locke, and devastated Ben (he just killed the one person he actually believed in.)<br /><br />So, creepy Jacob = free will, Man in Black Smoke = Destiny.<br /><br />What think ye?JShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06219841452322761803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-61910259408532060152010-02-06T21:29:38.420-05:002010-02-06T21:29:38.420-05:00I am finding all of these comments so interesting!...I am finding all of these comments so interesting! I think part of what draws me to LOST is the "greyness" of it...there really is no clear black and white. Even the evil characters evoke sympathy and the good characters are deeply flawed.<br /><br />verification word: Puggradu: the place that pugs go after completing their undergrad.Dukenoreply@blogger.com