tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post5879087265975196076..comments2024-02-04T05:13:04.501-05:00Comments on Nik at Nite: And the Statue Is...Nikki Staffordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04463618183850438914noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-21458337775011897342009-11-23T00:18:33.505-05:002009-11-23T00:18:33.505-05:00I'm interested to see what the statue actually...I'm interested to see what the statue actually comes out to be. I'm willing to believe it's Tawaret myself, perhaps with a significance of it not being a pregnant hippo attached to the fatal pregnancies caused by the island? As I believe some have previously surmised, perhaps the destruction of the statue if it is related to fertility, causes the deaths of the various pregnancies? Anyway, I digress. The one question however, that I am wondering about is the significance of the monster hieroglyph facing Anubis. I think it can be pinned down as being a representation of Ammit AKA, old Smokey. It should be important to note that Ammit was the beast that foul sinners were condemned to after being judged by Anubis. I'm looking forward to reading the latest "Finding Lost" to see what kind of reporting we have on Egyptian mythology.seegythefishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-82705102121477556732009-06-04T08:45:38.936-04:002009-06-04T08:45:38.936-04:00I've been staying out of the statue discussion...I've been staying out of the statue discussion because I was leaving it to the experts. But I just had a few minutes to read everything...and I did a google image search of Tawaret just to make my own comparisons. How annoying! First off, even in an image search, 90% of the results were from other LOST boards and blogs comparing pictures. I just want a picture not related to LOST to look at! Second annoying thing...that so many people have been discussing this elsewhere. Isn't Nikki's blog the ultimate LOST universe? :) <br />Third thing: I'm annoyed if it IS Tawaret because it looks nothing like her! I have yet to find one picture that shows that hippo with long legs. (not to mention the fact that hippos don't have all those alligator teeth but it seems the egyptians made her that way). This island statue in my opinion doesn't even come close to looking like Tawaret. But I'm just a peon so I guess it doesn't matter. LOL! <br /><br />Nikki - HELL YES on the Jack Sparrow/Richard gig!Jazzygirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08451286913250300082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-80325399809416149152009-06-03T19:35:04.743-04:002009-06-03T19:35:04.743-04:00Perhaps, as Blam and Kirathena say, it’s not a maj...Perhaps, as Blam and Kirathena say, it’s not a major (or any) plot point about who the statue is, but I’m with Batcabbage and Dana23 that it’s Sobek.<br /><br />Although Tawaret was a deity of protection in pregnancy and childbirth, she was a female god – a hippopotamus with a crocodile on her back! Thus, she was sometimes claimed to be consort of Sobek.<br /><br />Only the hair, “hat” and ears of the statue match Tawaret, but the sharp teeth/face looks like Sobek to me, as does the rest of the body which is decidedly masculine. Only sometimes is Sobek shown to be wearing the elaborate solar disc and horns headdress, but he is always shown carrying the ankh, the symbol of life.<br /><br />Sobek was worshiped by the Egyptians to insure the fertility of their people and their crops. They also considered Sobek to be the god who controlled the waters. The statue faces outward to the ocean rather than inward to the island. Perhaps he protects the waters from bringing in anyone except those that the island wants/needs?Zarihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03179474701017566772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-74932853248544802632009-06-03T13:03:43.163-04:002009-06-03T13:03:43.163-04:00Yay, Nikki! Thanks for finally clearing that statu...Yay, Nikki! Thanks for finally clearing that statue business up! but, like you said, I'm still waiting for someone on the show (Alpert, I'm lookin' in your direction) to clarify it for realz.<br /><br />However, Tawaret or not, I still think it'd be pretty awesome (in a funny way) if the camera spun around and the face of the statue was Emilie de Ravin.The Question Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-73374152429058590642009-06-03T09:29:06.047-04:002009-06-03T09:29:06.047-04:00Sonshine: oh, fantastic!! I'm going to take my...Sonshine: oh, fantastic!! I'm going to take my 4-year-old to it soon. Actually, my husband and I are "discussing" who can take her. We coin-flipped for Monsters vs Aliens and he won, so I say it's my turn. He says he REALLY wants to see it. So I think in the end we find a babysitter for the toddler and we both take her. :) I can't wait! The previews always make me laugh out loud. :)Nikki Staffordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04463618183850438914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-30757060771449786542009-06-02T23:42:44.983-04:002009-06-02T23:42:44.983-04:00Side note - just went to see Up (which was absolut...Side note - just went to see Up (which was absolutely fantastic) But for me a huge part of it was the music written by our very own Michael Giacchino! Love him!Rebecca T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11994380364321336824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-82989764831041959592009-06-02T20:34:02.660-04:002009-06-02T20:34:02.660-04:00PS: Hey, Nikki! Didja see J.J. Abrams rockin' the ...PS: Hey, Nikki! Didja see J.J. Abrams rockin' the keyboards on the MTV Music Awards the other night?Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-74810146017193377812009-06-02T20:12:04.912-04:002009-06-02T20:12:04.912-04:00SonshineMusic: Do they show any rubble from the st...<BR><I><B>SonshineMusic:</B> Do they show any rubble from the statue anywhere? I can't remember seeing it.</I> <br /><br />The rubble could be in the ocean, but, yeah, it'd be strange for all of it to ended up there. <br /><br />Maybe it <I>was</I> vaporized -- by the aliens! <br /><br />I am so waiting for someone to bring up the fact that the rest of the statue is gone and for Jacob to reply, "Tell me about it. When I moved in, this was a five-story condo!"Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-82388492584068731452009-06-02T20:08:59.909-04:002009-06-02T20:08:59.909-04:00Fred: Richard said he was made immortal by Jacob.A...<BR><I><B>Fred:</B> Richard said he was made immortal by Jacob.</I>Actually, in response to [Not]Locke asking him how it is he never ages, Richard says, "Jacob made me this way." I've opined before that instead of meaning "Jacob transformed me into this state" or "Jacob is the one who fixed it so that I don't age" he could literally have meant "Jacob made me -- and this is the way that he made me." Richard could have been created from whole cloth by Jacob, seemingly human but with apparent immortality part of the package.Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-69556551524836532402009-06-02T20:03:56.571-04:002009-06-02T20:03:56.571-04:00@Nikki: Um... does anyone suddenly have the strong...@Nikki: <I>Um... does anyone suddenly have the strong desire to see Nestor Carbonell dressed like Captain Jack Sparrow, with REAL guyliner?? <br /><br />Or is that just me?<br /><br />Come on Richard flashback, come on...</I>Oh, yes...Please! :P<br /><br />Here's an interesting consideration...What happened to the rest of the statue? There's been a lot of discussion as to when the statue was destroyed, but I just realized as I was reading through this that there should be large chunks of the statue lying around. I mean, if the foot remained intact, are we supposed to believe that the rest of it was what? Vaporized?<br /><br />Do they show any rubble from the statue anywhere? I can't remember seeing it.Rebecca T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11994380364321336824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-2169207465335928582009-06-02T19:59:08.870-04:002009-06-02T19:59:08.870-04:00studiorose: Perhaps it's not actually meant to be ...<BR><I><B>studiorose:</B> Perhaps it's not actually meant to be a "known" Egyptian god. This isn't Egypt, after all; it's an island in the middle of...well, wherever it happens to be at the time. Isn't it feasible that a sect of Egyptians could have gotten "lost," set up a new civilization on the island and eventually made up new gods for themselves?</I> <br /><br />That's exactly what my own theory -- or personal explanation / justification -- has been ever since we first got a good look at the statue and no definitive answer came up.Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-79320532829078691372009-06-02T16:22:28.851-04:002009-06-02T16:22:28.851-04:00I think this is an interesting discussion but it m...I think this is an interesting discussion but it may be one of those things we never know for sure and is never incorporated into the show because it is not important. It is one of the little points we like to discuss and gives us insight but in the whole plotline of the show, it is not really vital for us know or understand. So, they may never make it "canon" persay and just think throwing it in a recap or "Wired" will suffice for us rabid fans because it doesn't really matter that much anyhow. <br /><br />Frankly unless they cover it in a line from an episode quickly I think it would be a waste of valuable plot time unless that statue is going to change the course of events in someway and the only way to understand those changes is knowing "who" it is. Knowing who it is more enhances Lost lore than drives any kind of plot or answers questions.<br /><br />But, for the record, I totally thought it was Anubis. Who would have thought some obscure Egyptian God would be chosen? I think that is another point on the side of "it doesn't really matter who it is and they will never explain who it is in the show" as how many casual viewers would try to figure it out, especially if it wasn't obviously a God they had heard of and had direct connotations like 'death'? Being Anubis would have been an easy throw-away line, "That looks like Anubis..." without having to explain who Anubis is and why he was important for 5 minutes like you have to do with Tawaret.<br /><br />I think we are just supposed to see an ancient Egyptian-like statue that is kind of odd where Jacob lives. Maybe the Lost creators based the design on one particular God like Tawaret but it isn't actually supposed to *be* that God and the details were lost in the recap translation. But, point being, they may not deem it vital enough to put in the mainstream show at all. I don't know, my two cents. Since Lost proves me wrong a lot I'm sure we will find out all about it first episode, next season. :)Kirathenanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-78235815289572705722009-06-02T13:36:49.046-04:002009-06-02T13:36:49.046-04:00Ben asks jacob, "What about me?"
Jacob replies, ...Ben asks jacob, "What about me?" <br /><br />Jacob replies, "What about you?"<br /><br />Is it me or does this sound like the story of Job? Like Job, Ben has been robbed of his family (Alex), his wealth (Ben does have money, power, much of which came from Widmore), and a high position (leader of the Others). All this is taken from him (including his health--spinal cancer). In the end he is returned to the island and made a servant of Locke, under threat from the smoke monster. <br /><br />Job himself loses all possessions, and family, finding himself questioning his existence. God finally comes to him, and with a small voice answers him. Job's faith is rewarded, and he is returned to the life he had before. <br /><br />Ben's faith fails him, and he kills Jacob. <br /><br />So is the final scene just an inversion of the story of Job? I find some difficulty with this, as Michael Emerson was meant to be on the show for only four episodes. Was Locke supposed to be the original Job-figure (suffering leading to death)? Like Job, Ben assumes he should be rewarded for his faithfulness. God has a superior knowledge, lacking in Job. <br /><br />But Jacob is not God. (Remeber room 23, 'God loves you as he loved Jacob'. This implies Jacob is a lesser being, perhaps more knowledgeable than the Others and Ben, even Richard, but not God). What then does this make of Ben's sacrifices (his being tortured by Sayid in the hatch), and his deceptions (of Locke and others)? Are they all just part of a long con played by Jacob?Fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16278511006938802310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-4556061853750158212009-06-02T12:29:13.358-04:002009-06-02T12:29:13.358-04:00Nikki I'm with you on the whole canon thing. I...Nikki I'm with you on the whole canon thing. If the enhanced episodes are not true canon (as Damon & Carlton said in a podcast) then how can anything outside of the show be considered canon?Susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-14587928675342051392009-06-02T11:51:08.005-04:002009-06-02T11:51:08.005-04:00Fred: Richard said he was made immortal by Jacob. ...Fred: <I>Richard said he was made immortal by Jacob. It is believed, Richard came from the Black Rock, and if this is the case, then sometime after Richard was immortalized the statue was destroyed.</I> <br /><br />Um... does anyone suddenly have the strong desire to see Nestor Carbonell dressed like Captain Jack Sparrow, with REAL guyliner?? <br /><br />Or is that just me?<br /><br />Come on Richard flashback, <I>come on</I>...Nikki Staffordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04463618183850438914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-59852732241997033112009-06-02T10:06:41.567-04:002009-06-02T10:06:41.567-04:00On the destruction of the statue:
Whe you watch...<B>On the destruction of the statue:</B> <br /><br />Whe you watch the opening scene from <I>LaFleur</I>, John goes down the well, time flashes, the well disappears and now we see the statue. Then John turns the wheel, everyone holds their head in pain and there's a time skip to 1974 with a filled welled.<br /><br />We are not actually show the view of where the statue was. So there's no on-screen confirmation that the statue had been destroyed prior. Someone said DHARMA would know, maybe they do, we just haven't heard them mention it.<br /><br />The seismic shock resulting from the incident/detonation would probably be enough for the statue to crumble.<br /><br />My first thought after <I>LaFleur</I> was that, when Locke turned the wheel, one of the characters compared it to an earthquake, one that could possibly have destroyed the statue.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-3651741227206118142009-06-02T03:27:17.258-04:002009-06-02T03:27:17.258-04:00Yep, guessed it was Tawaret, and the infertility i...Yep, guessed it was Tawaret, and the infertility issue, though as Nikki points out the destruction of the statue doesn't seem to coincide with the genesis of the infertility. Still, it just adds that much more to the Egyptian lore.Roberthttp://bit.ly/1R80YRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-44302966759443318912009-06-02T02:33:20.728-04:002009-06-02T02:33:20.728-04:00Hmmm. Perhaps it's not actually meant to be a "kn...Hmmm. Perhaps it's not actually meant to be a "known" Egyptian god. This isn't Egypt, after all; it's an island in the middle of...well, wherever it happens to be at the time. Isn't it feasible that a sect of Egyptians could have gotten "lost," set up a new civilization on the island and eventually made up new gods for themselves?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-30198452501193483312009-06-01T21:23:04.231-04:002009-06-01T21:23:04.231-04:00I prefer the statue to be Sobek over Tawaret simpl...I prefer the statue to be Sobek over Tawaret simply because it looks more like Sobek. I just don’t see why, if they wanted it to be Tawaret, they went out of their way to make it look more like the other one. Perhaps showing Tawaret as a pregnant hippo with saggy breasts, a crocodile back, and lion feet just wasn’t “sexy” enough for the show. The truth is any number of Egyptian gods would be relevant to various themes in the show, so why does it have to be Tawaret? I’m not sure they will ever mention the statue by name on the show. For the vast majority of the audience, just seeing the statue was probably cool enough. They won’t need to know nor care who it is or what it represents. Only the devotees of the show are interested in its significance. For me, unless they say who it is on the show or Darlton actually tell us, I’ll continue to believe it is Sobek or some other god and not Tawaret.<br /><br />And I agree with Nik on Sawyer and Kate as well. I found it annoying that Kate’s feelings on the show have been so ambiguous and in some cases even negative toward Sawyer in the last year or so that Damon and Carlton felt they had to tell us her true feelings in a clip show. However, the fact that Darlton were the ones to tell us in the clip show would seem to indicate that that is the direction they may go. (Who knows, they’ve led us down the wrong path before.) Perhaps in a future clip show or an “extended” version of the finale, we will receive official confirmation on the identity of the Egyptian god, but that won’t be till next year, probably before the season 6 premiere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-71444948507595589562009-06-01T20:21:06.169-04:002009-06-01T20:21:06.169-04:00@Beej: Ironically, it was on the Docarzt website. ...<b>@Beej:</b> Ironically, it was on the Docarzt website. Here's the article (<a rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/oc8cks</a>). It's not as detailed as I remembered it, but I had done some work prior and the sum of the two probably seemed convincing.<br /><br />Have a look and see what you think. I'll try to write up a little something to summarize what else I added to the perspective, the main point being that Ben looks up at the <b>side</b> of the foot and not the <b>back</b> as some have thought.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-53708119144327603972009-06-01T19:50:49.936-04:002009-06-01T19:50:49.936-04:00Please do. The screencaps I've seen show them...Please do. The screencaps I've seen show them as being different, so I'd love to see an actual analysis of it.B.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02374224273058102072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-60367451057109438492009-06-01T19:16:47.826-04:002009-06-01T19:16:47.826-04:00Oh, forgot.
@Beej: If you pay close attention, i...Oh, forgot.<br /><br /><B>@Beej:</B> If you pay close attention, it's the same foot. Someone did a picture analysis of it and has significant proof to suggest that it's always the left foot we've seen.<br /><br />If I can find the link I'll post it.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-77228638233326905602009-06-01T19:14:13.238-04:002009-06-01T19:14:13.238-04:00As Ashlie said, what sealed it for me was the WIRE...As Ashlie said, what sealed it for me was the WIRED puzzle. The writer of the puzzle (Schneier) was given a clue to hide in a puzzle. I would assume the clue was given by the writers via J.J. Abrams (guest editor).<br /><br />The left page is a simple cipher using <B>wiremagazine</B> as the keyword and spells out <I>"u s e l e t t e r s b a c k w a r d s f r o m e n d"</I>. What does this say? Not much. But remember the episode <I>The Variable</I>? The issue 11.08 of WIRED has an article on Time Travel in it (as mentioned by Nik on her recap). A section of that article is on Thorne Plates and refers to the "Casimir Effect", also on Lost. The idea was to count letters backwards from the end of THAT SECTION. So 4th letter from the end, then 34th from there (38th from end) and so on.<br /><br />Here's Schneider's site with links to the puzzle, attempts and the solution: <A>http://tinyurl.com/ohtc9d</A>I certainly hope that they explain (or apologize for) the male clothing and masculinity of the statue. Even the piece of tapestry is unconvincing (<A>http://tinyurl.com/lxs45z</A>).<br /><br /><br /><B>@Joshua:</B> At the beginning of the season, there were some inconsistencies in the recap and what future episodes would say. May have been an isolated <I>incident</I>.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-27600273423127963562009-06-01T17:10:54.637-04:002009-06-01T17:10:54.637-04:00And that doesn't contradict what ABC.com said beca...And that doesn't contradict what ABC.com said because one would, indeed, be Tawaret.B.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02374224273058102072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-2561443533777504522009-06-01T17:10:11.045-04:002009-06-01T17:10:11.045-04:00Given that there are male and female fertility god...Given that there are male and female fertility gods, could there be two statues? Since we see a left-foot in one episode and the right-foot in another, could one be Tawaret and one could be Sobet, and both could have been destroyed somehow and left opposite feet standing.B.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02374224273058102072noreply@blogger.com