tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post7169927719567480784..comments2024-02-04T05:13:04.501-05:00Comments on Nik at Nite: Sayid as Jacob?Nikki Staffordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04463618183850438914noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-6449854719869494862010-02-09T22:54:48.711-05:002010-02-09T22:54:48.711-05:00My prediction is that Sayid is totally himself dud...My prediction is that Sayid is totally himself dude and not Jacob at all. Just thought I'd get this down while I thought it.<br />What he's doing is 'waking up' from the sideways timeline which is somehow how the two timelines will merge (note Jack seemed to be all deja vu-ish on the plane like he was trying to remember so he could 'wake' up at any time too). Also I reckon what Juliet alluded to in 'It worked' is not Jughead went off etc. but instead she has flashed to the future and the course they are on now is the right one and it things work out for the best this time. <br />Now I wait to see how totally wrong (yes Hurley is starting to inhabit me) I am. Besides being comment 50 on an old-ish blog entry no-one's going to read this anyway and I can crazy theorise away to my heart's content. But if I'm right I have the satisfaction that I got it down first (not going to happen dude - oh go back to the show Hurley).glfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00216711472123048055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-24889226314539314482010-02-08T15:56:35.597-05:002010-02-08T15:56:35.597-05:00A new thought, as I get ready to put up a pre-Lost...A new thought, as I get ready to put up a pre-<i>Lost</i> post on my own blog:<br />I still think Esau, a.k.a. the Man in Black, both is Smokey and has taken the form of Locke. However, <i>if</i> he's not Smokey and was just leading Ben on, or <i>if</i> he can appear as more than one thing at once (Locke <i>and</i> the Monster; Locke <i>and</i> Christian <i>and</i> Claire) but conversely didn't want to advertise that fact to Ben, then he could've appeared as Jacob to Hurley. Jacob was dead, after all, which seems to qualify him for impersonation by Esau. So perhaps he directed Hurley to bring Sayid's body to the Temple as a sort of Trojan Horse; afraid that Jack's skills might combine with Island magic to heal Sayid, he could both ensure Sayid's death by having the Temple Others drown him in the magic pool and then have Sayid's dead body in the Temple ripe for usage. Yes, I know, Esau doesn't inhabit bodies, he only duplicates them, unless, well, it turns out that we <i>don't</i> know that but have just assumed it and he can do both. Esau might also have figured that when Sayid didn't get revived, due to Jacob's death, the Others would take him out his friends' sight, making it easy enough for him to appear as Sayid, supposedly healed after all, while the body still lay wherever it lay. I realize that if the Man in Black can indeed inhabit bodies as well as impersonate them, it's awfully convenient plotwise for him not to have gone this route with Locke, covering his tracks, but we've seen retrospective inconsistencies in the name of future surprises before.Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-552372263272613452010-02-08T14:29:27.790-05:002010-02-08T14:29:27.790-05:00Resurrected Sayid is Jacob: Too obvious to be true...Resurrected Sayid is Jacob: Too obvious to be true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-51352916920017668312010-02-08T12:20:15.193-05:002010-02-08T12:20:15.193-05:00@ODM: I am with you 100% about the essence/soul o...@ODM: I am with you 100% about the essence/soul of John Locke now being in Sayid. I even posted it on the original 6.01/6.02 blog the day after LOST aired. You, however, said it all much more succinctly and eloquently. I am excited to find out if this is in fact true. Three points to this end that have stuck with me...(1) Sayid never truly dies. The look on Miles face says it all. (2)That parting camera shot of Locke's body on the beach and the next shot being Sayid sitting up asking, "What happened?" (3) Final point being the conversation between New Flight 815 John Locke and Jack in the "lost" baggage area. "Your father isn't really missing, only his body is missing."<br /><br /><br />Some points I made in my original posting pertain to John's supposed importance to the island and the Christ-like refferences made about him...Lost Supper photos, etc. When Sayid was lifted out of the dirty water, his arms were outstretched like Christ on the crucifix. I also pointed out that this all occured on the "third day" that John Locke's body had been back on the island. We shall see, and Damon and Carlton have alluded that it is NOT Jacob, and we will find out rather quickly what is going on. I am curious what has happened to Sayid's soul, however. And if he is gone, I will miss him.Lisa(until further notice)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-45111291069601547872010-02-08T08:22:19.447-05:002010-02-08T08:22:19.447-05:00@ paul e - while I take your points on precedent a...@ paul e - while I take your points on precedent and think the eko comparison is interesting, I would still make the primary compare/contrast exercise between ben and sayid. They are the only two that we know of that have been through this process, with some potentially significant differences e.g. Level of "innocence", clarity of water. Though I do not think this is the only thing to take away, it is significant that they each have responsibility for putting the other there, though ben less directly.JShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06219841452322761803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-69082563208604402682010-02-08T00:12:55.312-05:002010-02-08T00:12:55.312-05:00Ashlie,
I don't think the water changed.
The...<b>Ashlie,</b><br /><br />I don't think the water changed.<br /><br />The scene where Hurley talks to dead-Sayid has a brief glimpse of the pool at this time code:<br />01:13:58 - 01:14:02<br /><br />The water is a mix of brown & dark green, with some spots of dark shadow.<br /><br />It's the exact same shade as when Dogan & Lennon first enter the pool house & gasp at the colour change. That scene took place at an earlier time code: 01:00:46 - 01:00:50<br /><br />It's clearly an angular issue. At certain angles, the water looks brownish red. But at other angles, it looks like the scenes we're discussing.<br /><br />After all, when they first walk in Lennon gasps: "The water isn't clear!". <br />But at the end, he's standing right in front of the pool and doesn't notice any clarity.Paul Escobarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-87374521614068364612010-02-07T23:52:36.622-05:002010-02-07T23:52:36.622-05:00TreeClimber
Your Wiki article is too vague.
In f...<b>TreeClimber</b><br /><br />Your Wiki article is too vague. <br />In fact, we know more about Smokey than the creature you're citing.<br /><br />So here's what we know about Smokey:<br /><br />1) Makes copies of bodies (dead bodies still exist, Smokey clones them).<br /><br />2) Scans dead bodies for memories (told Ben what Locke's dying thoughts were)<br /><br />3) Can’t be in two places at once (appears as smoke or clone, but not both).<br /><br />4) Can’t pass through ashes (both Jacbob’s bodyguard & Others prove this)<br /><br />Smokey's a physical being, with his own physical powers & constraints.<br /><br /><b>So he's not really stealing souls or becoming people. He's just doing impressions based on really good costumes & brain memory scans.</b>Paul Escobarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-19141525302662147852010-02-07T23:38:45.733-05:002010-02-07T23:38:45.733-05:00I just rewatched the episode today for the third t...I just rewatched the episode today for the third time and it looks like just after Hurley tells Sayid that he'll be around if he ever wants to talk (when they think Sayid is dead) the water has become clear again. Has anyone else noticed this? Could it be an indication that Jacob has passed into Sayid? I haven't read through all the comments on the initial post, I got bogged down somewhere around comment 260...Ashlie Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04819825642101427700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-1066344112721746782010-02-07T22:22:57.794-05:002010-02-07T22:22:57.794-05:00Speaking of bodies and souls, here's an intere...Speaking of bodies and souls, here's an interesting Nigerian legend:<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_eater_%28folklore%29<br /><br />DO you think there are any possible links to Smokey?treeclimbernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-76680404607145317072010-02-07T18:58:43.548-05:002010-02-07T18:58:43.548-05:00@Paul E.: I like this new comparison to Mr. Eko.
...<b>@Paul E.:</b> I like this new comparison to Mr. Eko.<br /><br />While unfortunate not to see him run his course, it would be interesting to see the idea applied to Sayid.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-30915256019237026252010-02-07T18:51:58.153-05:002010-02-07T18:51:58.153-05:00JS compared Sayid to Ben.
But I think there's ...JS compared Sayid to Ben.<br />But I think there's a better comparison.<br /><br /><b>There's a clearer link between Sayid & Mr. Eko.</b> <br /><br />1) Both were born into violent environments (Nigeria & Iraq).<br /><br />2) Both had childhood flashbacks that involved sparing their siblings of commiting horrifying violence (Eko's brother couldn't shoot someone, Sayid's brother couldn't kill a chicken).<br /><br />3) Both grew to do dark deeds (Eko was a drug kingpin, Sayid was a professional torturer).<br /><br />4) Both tried to leave their violent pasts, made vows never to harm others again, & were seeking redemption in good deeds (Eko became a priest, Sayid built houses in Latin America).<br /><br /><b>I have this theory that Sayid's current storyline was originally meant for Mr. Eko.</b><br />But, as some of you may have heard, Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje left the show for personal family obligations. The writers might have shifted that trajectory onto Sayid.<br /><br />After all, the promos show that the Japanese priest will tell Sayid: <i><b>"This is your chance to redeem yourself"</b></i>. <br />This sounds similar to what Eko's brother (in the Smokey apparitions) presented to Eko.<br /><br />Eko didn't repent, and he died.<br />We shall see what Sayid's reaction will be.Paul Escobarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-67703636175976103432010-02-07T18:48:39.230-05:002010-02-07T18:48:39.230-05:00@Paul E.:
You have good points, but I don't t...<b>@Paul E.:</b><br /><br />You have good points, but I don't think they're as solid as you think. While I'm not going to believe right out any single theory, let me just point where your argument <b>may</b> be weak.<br /><br />In reply to <b>(2)</b>, we don't know it's never happened. They don't know WHY it's currently cloudy. This could have happened before. They know to test it to see how it is currently affected by the residue.<br /><br />As for <b>(3)</b>, we don't know either that Jacob has never appeared to Ben. He could have done so when Ben was younger and with Richard. He may not remember him, but Jacob certainly knows Ben. Would Sayid really recognize him? while they met face to face, it was only for a fraction to ask for direction. Would you recognize anyone who asked you for direction some months ago?<br /><br />What is relevant is that Jacob appeared to Sayid more recently than he may have appeared to Ben. And that Jacob did ask for Sayid to be brought to the Temple.<br /><br /><br />Again, your points for 'no precedent' are for sure valid, I just don't think they are any more conclusive than for 'with precedent'.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-41267832654051014172010-02-07T18:34:05.857-05:002010-02-07T18:34:05.857-05:00JS,
People who use Ben as a precedent for Sayid m...<b>JS,</b><br /><br />People who use Ben as a precedent for Sayid miss some key differences.<br /><br />1) Sayid was hand-picked by Jacob for "saving". While Ben was only saved because Kate felt outraged at Jack & Sayid's (in)actions.<br /><br />2) Sayid was dipped in murky waters. While Ben was dipped in clear water. We know this because the OTHERS acted as if the murky waters had never appeared before. DOGAN wouldn't have done the "hand test" if they had gone through this with Ben.<br /><br />3) Jacob voluntarily appeared to Sayid. Jacob was forced into meeting Ben because of Smokey-Locke. Notice that Ben doesn't recall ever having met Jacob. Whereas Sayid would instantly recognize Jacob, if another meeting was possible.<br /><br />On a seperate note, we can't even say that Ben was "changed" after he was "dipped".<br />From the flashbacks & his prison conversations with Sayid: <b>we see that little Ben is the same creep big Ben turned out to be.</b><br />So despite Richard's warnings, we have no visible proof that the water changes personalities.<br /><br /><b><i>That's what makes Sayid's storyline so interesting. There's very little precedent for what's happening to him.</i></b>Paul Escobarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-11849240902038586022010-02-07T17:24:18.537-05:002010-02-07T17:24:18.537-05:00Interesting factoid about Sayid being held underwa...Interesting factoid about Sayid being held underwater, don't know if this is true, I heard it on one of those audio blogs, that he was held under water for 108 seconds...<br /><br />Boy some people really have too much time on their hands LOLasiancolossushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09531748076973604929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-71690424009835686682010-02-07T14:02:35.044-05:002010-02-07T14:02:35.044-05:00I think I posted my comment on the wrong thread......I think I posted my comment on the wrong thread....<br /><br />@JS: <i> ...from [Jacob’s] seemingly benign interaction, asking Sayid for directions,...“Sayid - let me keep you from being hit by that car” </i> <br /><br />Jacob’s contact with Sayid seemed just the opposite to me. He kept Sayid from getting hit by the car, but it appeared to me that Jacob waited deliberately until Nadia was in the path of the speeding car and then distracted Sayid. I thought Jacob “killed” Nadia so he could get Sayid’s “undivided attention” and that has always disturbed me.<br /><br />Word Verf: <i> gnatess </i>: Aristocratic female gnat.Zarihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03179474701017566772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-85066749419729456082010-02-07T10:57:11.180-05:002010-02-07T10:57:11.180-05:00One thing about Smokie I havent seen mentioned in ...One thing about Smokie I havent seen mentioned in any posts - remember how it scanned Eko, Juliet and Kate when it first encountered them? and although we didnt see it, maybe Locke too? We assume it is judging them but for what purpose? I don't think its a simple as a moral or spiritual judgement.Perhaps Smokie is evaluating each person's usefulness to its agenda. In the case of Eko he needed him to influence Locke as part of his plan to break Locke. Same with Ben. Kate and Juliet simple weren't of use to him at the time. <br /><br />As Sayid has never had a face to face encounter with Smokie, I think we can rule him out and Jacob has never been shown to exibit this power- It could be that Jacob is able to absorb memories through touch (as seen in The Incident)Personally, I think this unlikely but I do think Jacob's touch has something to do with Sayid's resurrection.<br /><br />ps:Iain Lee on Sky One's Lost Initiative has an interesting theory - that the Sayid who rises from the death is from the alternative timeline.The Shoutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-30839453186811978052010-02-07T10:17:25.702-05:002010-02-07T10:17:25.702-05:00I think we said this in the original post, but we ...I think we said this in the original post, but we shouldn't underestimate the parallels between Sayid and Ben:<br /><br />Both go to the temple to "recover" from a gunshot wound.<br /><br />Both do things that are despicable in the name of some higher good. Though Sayid actually regrets all of it, Ben only regrets his daughters death.<br /><br />Ben was innocent and lost that with his "resurrection". Look for Sayid to somehow gain some innocence he seemed to never have, even in childhood (see deflated ghost chicken).<br /><br />They are very intertwined in each others lives after they leave the island - Sayid works for Ben, doing what he does best, also in the name of some higher good, where Ben believes they are at war. Maybe now Ben will somehow work for Sayid, in the war that is coming.JShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06219841452322761803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-72994376368038066312010-02-06T23:12:09.341-05:002010-02-06T23:12:09.341-05:00@ODM: Great, plausible theory. And has the benefit...@ODM: Great, plausible theory. And has the benefit of being more nuanced and interesting than the idea that Jacob merely looked around for a likely candidate (Sayid) and plunked down into his newly-dead body. The Man in Black's grand plan to kill Jacob would seem pretty foolish if Jacob could simply reincarnate by lunchtime on the same day.<br /><br />Not to mention, your idea of "wandering souls" that occasionally might intervene in the affairs of the living, goes a long way to making sense of the "whispers", does it not? <br /><br />Not to mention, whatever it is that happened to Sayid in the temple must be analogous what happened to boy Ben when Richard brought him there in '77, right? Therefore, Sayid has been changed in some mysterious, possibly sinister way, but it can't be that he's just the new Jacob.Kevie Metalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07908746632909933648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-38690621201212334902010-02-06T15:57:45.751-05:002010-02-06T15:57:45.751-05:00"Did Death give Jacob a haircut and Sayid a s..."Did Death give Jacob a haircut and Sayid a shave? Death works in very mysterious ways on the island…"<br /><br />Ahahahahahahahaha...<br /><br />And if the island does have magical properties to keep beards from growing unkempt (think about it, they were stuck on that island for how long and no one ever looked beyond scruffy?) then I am sincerely glad Jack made it back to the island, and we are safe from his crazy beard. I was always afraid that thing was going to jump off and attack me.<br /><br />@Robert: But think about it, Locke with wicked knife skills, and Sayid with dishwasher feet skills? That would be a fight like no other.<br /><br />@ODM: Ooh... Those are some good thoughts. I must mull them over.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09222233412304660376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-4202048323076438892010-02-06T12:47:36.196-05:002010-02-06T12:47:36.196-05:00@joan - 'I still think Jacob is a Weirdo of th...@joan - 'I still think Jacob is a Weirdo of the Highest Order' - Jacob is a WHO - ditto again & love it!!TiaSabitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15256692449213421359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-15932539571657680002010-02-06T12:45:39.507-05:002010-02-06T12:45:39.507-05:00@ODM's last comment - ditto!@ODM's last comment - ditto!TiaSabitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15256692449213421359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-28971392602633625402010-02-06T11:08:06.522-05:002010-02-06T11:08:06.522-05:00Maybe all hey need to do then is dunk dead locke i...Maybe all hey need to do then is dunk dead locke in the water & bring him back to life?<br />Then he can take on MIB and emerge victorious & be the hero we always wanted him to become???<br /><br />Please, Darlton??? :)...The Question Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-37626869620171745142010-02-06T10:09:01.909-05:002010-02-06T10:09:01.909-05:00@Virginia Katz: is one of the islands special powe...@Virginia Katz: is one of the islands special powers the ability to give any inhabitant a new hairdo at any moment? <br /><br />This answers my question on the 'Richard in Chains' post - clearly the island also provides Richard Alpert with permanently clean and pressed designer clothes.Ali Bagshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04826228234954697951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-22155274644784116822010-02-06T09:33:24.762-05:002010-02-06T09:33:24.762-05:00I also thought the parting shot of Locke's bod...I also thought the parting shot of Locke's body was interesting, almost as if to say "don't forget about old Locke yet" And then we cut to Sayid's resurrection...scotminusThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13766862913677727930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-58077967950606425802010-02-06T09:05:19.798-05:002010-02-06T09:05:19.798-05:00Only just watched the premiere last night, but I h...Only just watched the premiere last night, but I have been avidly reading all of your insights! <br /><br />The moment Jacob <br />seemed so concerned about Sayid and when he was brought in to the temple, I immediately thought that it was so Jacob could use his body. The fact that the water was tainted, symbolicly with Jacob's blood, seemed to support this but now thinking back Jacob inhabiting Sayid's body doesn't really make sense. Also why did it take so long to take effect? <br />I think something special has definitley happened to him but I'm not so sure if it is Jacob.<br /><br />@ODM Interesting idea! I was wondering why they showed us a close up of Locke's body, I thought for a second he was going to get up!EvaHartnoreply@blogger.com