tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post1226644196975657256..comments2024-02-04T05:13:04.501-05:00Comments on Nik at Nite: Buffy Rewatch Week 9Nikki Staffordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04463618183850438914noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-506282160569255342011-03-19T11:00:18.252-04:002011-03-19T11:00:18.252-04:00I want to take Giles's speech in the car behin...<br>I want to take Giles's speech in the car behind the bleachers at Sunnydale High and get it pregnant.<br /><br />(What's really funny is that a friend of mine just said the same thing to me about Mr. Hummell's speech to Kurt on last week's <i>Glee</i>, which is also an achingly fine passage in the annals of television drama but to which this is an even more inappropriate response.) <br /><br />Anyway, I hate having fallen behind so far on comments here at the Rewatch, even as I've finally caught up on actually rewatching — we'll see how long that lasts — but I couldn't pass up on concurring how pivotal a moment "Surprise" / "Innocence" was and is in the series.<br /><br /><i>@redeem147: Dalton is too human because he reads. The Judge reminds me of Stephen Colbert.</i><br /><br />I've been quite appreciative of Nikki's guest contributors as well as of many of the insights in the noobie <i>and</i> spoiler forums, but, Colleen, I need to tell you that your comments in particular are the awesome.<br /><br /><i>@Marebabe: I have often wondered why Joyce should be kept in the dark about Buffy's identity as the Slayer. The answer, of course, is that there's tons of ready-made conflict by having Joyce be forever clueless.</i><br /><br />Yeah, I've always figured that it's a plot demand, but by this point in the show there's a clear and present danger to Joyce in not knowing that Angel is <i>an evil vampire</i> that you'd think would either be addressed in or just plain trump the Watchers handbook.<br /><br />VW: <i>bicap</i> — Dude! Steve Rogers goes both ways?!?<br /><br>Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-2154552405395732392011-03-09T20:17:36.991-05:002011-03-09T20:17:36.991-05:00Do you hang your own drapes when you check into a ...Do you hang your own drapes when you check into a hotel room? Do you hang artwork you own? Do you put your own vase on the hotel room table and buy flowers to put it in? If the answers to any of these things is yes then you are probably insane.<br /><br />Angelus didn't need an invitation to enter Enyos' room because Enyos was not in his home.myeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00743570522792899908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-51658556306544105202011-03-08T14:58:08.506-05:002011-03-08T14:58:08.506-05:00I come down on the side of hotels being "publ...I come down on the side of hotels being "public". A hotel room is not your home, it's a temporary residence. True, I guess you could call an apartment a temporary residence, if you are renting, but I do think there is a distinction there.<br /><br />As for Angel the series - when it became headquarters, didn't Angel buy it? In which case, he would own it and could go where ever he wanted in the building.JavaChickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06816858010039395389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-64807598514258106582011-03-07T21:33:30.931-05:002011-03-07T21:33:30.931-05:00But it's way more fun to try to explain the in...But it's way more fun to try to explain the inconsistencies than to say 'it's just a TV show' :)<br /><br />What can I say? I'm a Doctor Who fan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-31727687432740167772011-03-07T12:24:22.638-05:002011-03-07T12:24:22.638-05:00This discussion about Angelus coming into Enyos...This discussion about Angelus coming into Enyos's room is the same one we had years ago when it first aired. I've heard the hotel one before (that a hotel is a public place, and therefore they can roam) but... if someone wandered into my hotel room and plopped down on the bed and started watching TV, I could have the police remove him. It's not a public place if you're occupying it. This will come up again and again on Angel, when the headquarters and main setting of the show is an actual hotel (and Angel seems to move from room to room as easily as anyone else). I've also heard the argument Missy gives above, where Enyos's reply to Angelus was a tacit permission to enter, but I don't agree with that one, either, because when Angel is talking to Willow in her doorway, she says, "Oh sure," when he asks for her help, and she stands back and does the sweep of her arm, indicating he can enter. But he stands there and is unable to move until she formally invites him in. <br /><br />So, as Tom D. says, it's just a continuity error. The Jossverse is full of them (as is the Abramsverse and the Weinerverse and the Simonverse and just about every other verse there is out there).Nikki Staffordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04463618183850438914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-78443219852669673152011-03-07T09:13:14.542-05:002011-03-07T09:13:14.542-05:00Occasionally the vampire invitation rule just gets...<i>Occasionally the vampire invitation rule just gets overlooked.</i><br /><br />Vampires are notorious for failing to send "thank you" cards as well :)Joan Crawfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04513335615114222374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-89793001825474499062011-03-07T02:56:41.755-05:002011-03-07T02:56:41.755-05:00I'm surprised how much attention this "wh...I'm surprised how much attention this "where can vampires enter" stuff is getting. Bottom line, this is the Buffyverse, which means magic will always work in whatever way is most convenient for the plot. Trying to make it all make perfect sense is never going to succeed -- Joss's mind just doesn't work like that.<br /><br />However, for what little it's worth, I think what Joss must have had in mind when deciding that Angelus could enter a hotel room uninvited is that a house or apartment is a <i>home</i> whereas a hotel room is generally not.<br /><br />BTW, none of this even begins to explain why there was a vampire (other than Angel) inside Buffy's house in Halloween. Occasionally the vampire invitation rule just gets overlooked.Tom D.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-31576613431411025192011-03-06T03:22:30.007-05:002011-03-06T03:22:30.007-05:00If it helps,this is the Scene.
Cut to Enyos' ...If it helps,this is the Scene.<br /><br />Cut to Enyos' hotel room. He's smoking on his pipe. He hears the door <br />open.<br /><br />Enyos: I knew she would bring you. I suppose you want answers.<br /><br />Angelus: Not really.<br /><br />Enyos' face takes on a look of terror. He gets up and faces him.<br /><br />Angelus: But thanks for the offer.<br /><br />I think we're supposed to understand that it was an offer to come on in :/<br />What constitutes an invite gets muddy over the yrs.<br />There is a scene were a vampire says "Can I come in" and the Human said "Yeah,Sure"....in my world that doesn't mean your welcome into my home.But it's a TV Show.Missyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11352179063117525571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-68410720600377873952011-03-05T19:45:56.201-05:002011-03-05T19:45:56.201-05:00I really enjoyed these episodes. I actually had a ...I really enjoyed these episodes. I actually had a little flashback of LOST since I am starting to care about these characters, and knowing the history does really make a difference. I love how things are in place long before they are revealed, e.g. Jenny being an Angel watcher.<br /><br />One fun inconsistency - I liked how when Angel ran out of his room he was topless, and, even though he was in extreme physical and existential pain, managed to change out of his pajamas into a shirt, new pants and leather jacket.<br /><br />I am watching on netflix streaming! Oh No!! How am I supposed to watch??JShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06219841452322761803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-48400608451278533952011-03-05T13:02:07.854-05:002011-03-05T13:02:07.854-05:00Anyone can walk into the lobby of my apartment bui...Anyone can walk into the lobby of my apartment building. Both apartments and hotels are owned by other people with space rented to me. Still don't get it. People can't just walk into my hotel room (except for cleaning staff if I don't put up a sign) and my super can enter my apartment with notice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-25927301082880602692011-03-04T22:50:06.364-05:002011-03-04T22:50:06.364-05:00@Redeem A hotal is a public place, anyone can walk...@Redeem A hotal is a public place, anyone can walk into the lobby anytime they want. Rooms arepart of that building so hotel rooms are vampire friendly. If you live in apartment then it's your personal space and nobody can be there withut your permission. (Vamps need consent to enter)Dusknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-82213527472679616912011-03-04T22:31:14.389-05:002011-03-04T22:31:14.389-05:00I assumed he more ripped out her throat.
I still ...I assumed he more ripped out her throat.<br /><br />I still don't get the apartment vs hotel thing. Either way I'm paying money and for that time it's my space (and yet belongs to someone else.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-26069866201404266702011-03-04T20:41:53.592-05:002011-03-04T20:41:53.592-05:00He bites her neck, sucks the cigarette smoke that ...<i>He bites her neck, sucks the cigarette smoke that SHE inhaled from her throat, and he blows the smoke out as he stands up. BRILLIANT. </i><br /><br />Oh c'mon. This would be brilliant if it made the slightest bit of sense, maybe. The smoke somehow goes from the woman's cigarette, into her throat, into her bloodstream, then Angel(us) sucks it from her jugular vein and exhales it???Tom D.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-44358149247781470352011-03-04T18:12:19.464-05:002011-03-04T18:12:19.464-05:00Surprise contains one of my favorite Oz moments: &...Surprise contains one of my favorite Oz moments: "Actually, it explains a LOT." I love how nonplussed he is at the revelation.<br /><br />To Lesley C (and others): the way I rationalize Buffy sleeping through Angel's transformation is how much she's been through in the prior 24 hours, plus postcoital bliss;)<br /><br />I really enjoy the Cheeseman bits. I am a musician but usually the music goes over my head since I'm busy watching the show! <br /><br />These episodes are still amazingly painful for me to watch. Backstory: At 17, my boyfriend (of 2.5 years) and I finally "seized the day" and less than a week later he went on retreat for spring break and hooked up with another girl. He broke up with me days before my 18th birthday and less than two weeks before prom. Flash forward to the age of 25: I get my hands on a set of Buffy DVDs and get to these two episodes. The pain of that breakup and situation come back to me with physical force. I cried so hard the first time I watched "Innocence". Like real, sobbing, messy crying. Especially the part where she's laying on the bed, holding the ring, crying, and of course the ending: "Just let it burn." <br /><br />I think this show does a good job of connecting these real, relateable feelings in this fantastical world of supernatural beings.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05997191228899274706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-19224113021903218722011-03-04T15:19:04.485-05:002011-03-04T15:19:04.485-05:00I just wanted to mention the thing about Angel lig...I just wanted to mention the thing about Angel lighting up the moment he becomes Angelus. He doesn't actually light -- or smoke -- a cigarette. What I LOVE about the scene where he becomes Angelus is where the smoke comes from. He turns into Angelus, and the woman in the alleyway who is about to become his first victim lights up a cigarette. He bites her neck, sucks the cigarette smoke that SHE inhaled from her throat, and he blows the smoke out as he stands up. BRILLIANT. <br /><br />Of course, it also goes against the S1 finale notion that Angel doesn't have any breath, but we already talked about that being an inconsistency.Nikki Staffordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04463618183850438914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-30325529050218016542011-03-04T14:01:43.581-05:002011-03-04T14:01:43.581-05:00Nikki,
You were right - I'm hooked!
Thanks ag...Nikki,<br />You were right - I'm hooked!<br /><br />Thanks again for organizing this re-watch (or new-watch for me).<br /><br />TWTomWillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871121276027540139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-67989247903279682352011-03-04T03:27:52.222-05:002011-03-04T03:27:52.222-05:00No, vampires couldn't entire your apartment be...No, vampires couldn't entire your apartment because you actually live there. It doesn't matter if you're renting. A hotel, however, is only temporary and a public place. You don't live there permanently.Hunternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-57572506767395488552011-03-03T22:38:07.063-05:002011-03-03T22:38:07.063-05:00I don't understand (though I thought it might ...I don't understand (though I thought it might be the reason) a hotel room is public space if it's been rented. Does that mean my apartment is fair game for vampires?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-3553429891477966902011-03-03T14:25:36.627-05:002011-03-03T14:25:36.627-05:00redeem147 said...
How did Angel get into her uncl...redeem147 said...<br /><br />How did Angel get into her uncle's room without being invited?<br /><br />Jenny's uncle didn't live in Sunnydale, else why would Jenny be the one who was charged with keeping an eye on Angel?<br /><br />He was living out of a hotel room which is considered a public space, so vampires don't need an invite to enter.Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-79903763053558857922011-03-03T13:07:32.941-05:002011-03-03T13:07:32.941-05:00Buffy is mentioned several times in comparison in ...Buffy is mentioned several times in comparison in a new Pitchfork review. <br />http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/15167-wounded-rhymes/Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04187654072641581008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-25987358355956939512011-03-03T11:19:03.082-05:002011-03-03T11:19:03.082-05:00It took me a long time to figure out why the rocke...It took me a long time to figure out why the rocket launcher took out the judge, but then I found out that modern weapons aren't forged, they're manufactured.<br /><br />Also, smoking denotes evil. Spike smokes, Harmony attempts to smoke. In the Scott Pilgrim world, if you're smoke, you're automatically evil....Mike_Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08174990796443111115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-41090811769740381352011-03-03T00:29:27.557-05:002011-03-03T00:29:27.557-05:00I know this episode isn't until next week but ...I know this episode isn't until next week but I couldn't wait. I was watching phases and I noticed a little editing problem. I will try to not spoil anything for any one who hasn't already seen Buffy so for those of you who have, just bare with me. When Willow runs into the Library and starts yelling things at Buffy and Giles (sorry for the obscureness) watch Giles' face. At the camera angles when you can see his face full on, his glasses are off, but when the change the angle to the back you can clearly see that the glasses are still on. This happens a few times in that scene and it always sorta pulled me out of the episode. Like, how can you not notice that. I have another little editing problem in an episode in season 4. Who Are You, when Willow, Giles, Tara, and the other person (trying not to spoil) are trying to get into the church that has Vampires in it, Willow is talking to the cop but her lips arn't moving and she is not even looking at him. You can clearly tell even though the camera is closer to the other person if you look at Willow she isn't talking but she is. It's wierd. Sorry for that ramble. Oh and these episodes were great (excluding Bad Eggs, that was just bad)Spike952931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-12690341603290426852011-03-02T19:44:07.297-05:002011-03-02T19:44:07.297-05:00This is the link provided on whedonesque.com regar...This is <a href="http://instantwatcher.com/titles/expiring" rel="nofollow">the link</a> provided on whedonesque.com regarding the dropping of Whedonverse shows from Netflix on April 1st. Some filtering is required.Page48https://www.blogger.com/profile/09728079057077761364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-56107822070668258062011-03-02T19:22:31.829-05:002011-03-02T19:22:31.829-05:00@Stacy, when I went to the website posted re. netf...@Stacy, when I went to the website posted re. netflix mainstreaming, a Canadian website came up. This gave me hope, as I am in the U.S. I have heard nothing of Netflix in the US stopping the mainstreaming of BtVS or Angel. Hope I'm right. Fingers crossed.Lisa(until further notice)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-50045945971341060482011-03-02T19:04:08.146-05:002011-03-02T19:04:08.146-05:00Oh no. I watch using streaming netflix. HOpefully ...Oh no. I watch using streaming netflix. HOpefully they will be back....Stacynoreply@blogger.com