tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post6369129027935603454..comments2024-02-04T05:13:04.501-05:00Comments on Nik at Nite: “Ab Aeterno” – The Walking DeadNikki Staffordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04463618183850438914noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-70271550073743751232010-04-13T19:04:07.197-04:002010-04-13T19:04:07.197-04:00Yes yes I know, this debate (Isabella/Jacob) is ag...Yes yes I know, this debate (Isabella/Jacob) is ages old. But since tonight is Hurley's episode, I was thinking a few things.<br /><br />Hurley only knows the 'antagonist' as the smoke monster or, now, Locke. He does not know his name or that he used to dress in black.<br />This makes me think that, referring to him as "the man in Black" has to be either from Isabella or Jacob, not Hurley himself.<br /><br />If not for <b>viewer anticipation</b>, why would Jacob refer to him as the man in black and not by his name, Richard surely knows it.<br /><br />Just saying! Maybe we'll find out tonight.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-29776355616561155982010-04-05T11:11:29.371-04:002010-04-05T11:11:29.371-04:00@Mitch: The horse is listed (as of season 4/5) as ...<b>@Mitch:</b> The horse is listed (as of season 4/5) as undead (with Christian and Yemi) by Damon and Carlton. Whether you believe them or not (or take their words as canon or not), that's where the 'evidence' for the black horse being Kate's horse comes from.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-4400564477523720522010-04-05T11:07:21.634-04:002010-04-05T11:07:21.634-04:00When Kate first saw the black horse on the island,...When Kate first saw the black horse on the island, I thought, like most folks: "wow, magic island -- how did her horse get there!" Then some episodes later, we saw Patchy's listening station cabin with. . . horses!! I have since assumed that the horse was one he let loose to graze or otherwise got out of the horse pen at the Flame. Do we have any other reason to think the horse is a manifestation, and not just a real horse from the Flame?Mitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02212066424654361558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-50789152188640891422010-03-31T06:29:36.462-04:002010-03-31T06:29:36.462-04:00Zombies are becoming reality via H1N1 shots. Be pr...Zombies are becoming reality via H1N1 shots. Be prepared. These ARE the end days.knowledge is powerhttp://www.sherrytalkradio.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-65018037549349371812010-03-30T16:34:51.461-04:002010-03-30T16:34:51.461-04:00I've just rewatched episode 4 and it makes a w...I've just rewatched episode 4 and it makes a whole lot more sense now that we know the history of Jacob, the man in black and Richard.<br /><br />Did someone say - I really do wonder if the blonde boy is a young Jacob?LittleMonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-91567762814090268342010-03-30T11:20:11.054-04:002010-03-30T11:20:11.054-04:00@scrvet: That's why a lot of viewers are putti...<b>@scrvet:</b> That's why a lot of viewers are putting much weight on the smoke monster scanning Richard in his invasion of the ship. That would be how to justified the impersonation or projected vision if Isabella.<br /><br />Aside #2: it may be analogous to the incident, and the destruction of the island lets 'malevolence/evil/darkness' escape. Question is, how does a failsafe key nullify all that and why didn't they enact the failsafe in the first place?Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-80639899687035169362010-03-30T11:09:44.914-04:002010-03-30T11:09:44.914-04:00If Smokey has never left the island, how can he ta...If Smokey has never left the island, how can he take the form of a person who has never been on the island (Isabella)? How would he know what she looks like?<br /><br />Aside # 1- in season one did the Others take the children back to the temple because they were without sin and needed to be protected from Smokey. Could they be potential candidates?<br /><br />Aside # 2- in season 2 Desmond said the numbers must be entered at the hatch to prevent the end of the world. Would Smokey be able to escape the island if that happened?scrvetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-51175878195538663372010-03-30T00:35:29.777-04:002010-03-30T00:35:29.777-04:00When Richard first saw Isabella on the Black Rock ...When Richard first saw Isabella on the Black Rock it did seem like he was hallucinating since the woman appeared at first fuzzy and out of focus. But then I thought from what she said, that they were in hell, that it was Smokey. You hear him though making his Smokey sounds Before she runs up and then the Screams. I don't remember any occasion when we heard him elsewhere while he was appearing as someone else.<br /><br />On the other hand, I can't fathom a ghost Isabella saying she was in hell, nor can I believe Richard would hallucinate her saying that.<br /><br />I have thought for a long time there were two Smokies - Locke saw Jacob one when he saw something beautiful but the one that tried to drag him into the whole was not Jacob one. <br />I have not heard the podcast so don't know what to make of TPTB saying Jacob did not manifest himself. I was sure the Christian in the well was Jacob. He was not a ghost because he held the lantern but would not help Locke up - and now that seems like Jacob.<br /><br />We have seen horses on the island so Kate's horse could have been real.<br /><br />I thought the Hurley Isabella was a ghost. Richard did not see her but he did sense her.<br />And I thought Jacob told Hurley that Isabella said one more thing. Hurley does trust Jacob; hence why Jacob told Hurley about the cab situation at the Lighthouse.NanXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08231559902572975942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-4152740393461936412010-03-29T23:39:07.583-04:002010-03-29T23:39:07.583-04:00personally, I think Isabella in the Black Rock was...personally, I think Isabella in the Black Rock was Smokey. She tells Richard they are in hell & is then captured or attacked somehow (or is pretending to be...as Smokey). I think Smokey was playing with Richard's mind...convincing him he was in hell for sure...and then convincing him that the only way to help himself & Isabella was the kill who he told Richard was the "devil" (Jacob)- so Richard would kill Jacob thinking he was the devil. Interestingly, I've never heard of killing the devil as a part of Christian thinking. It is not Christian type thinking to think PEOPLE can kill the devil. The ultimate battle is between God & the devil...and God will win. Also Christianity teaches that God will only allow the devil so much control over things...not full control (read the book of Job). This may be one reason that Richard doesn't buy Smokey's ideas wholeheartedly. They are foreign to him. That said, Richard appeared to be starving to death & also dehydrating to death in the Black Rock. He was under unimaginable psychological and physical stress. Such a person could certainly hallucinate easily and/or become delirious. I also think it's interesting that Smokey left him there until he was really pretty much dying b/f he helped him. He was setting Richard up. Also, people near death often describe seeing things that may or may not be real. They often sound like visions or hallucinations if the person survives and describes them to others.DharmaLadynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-57032807995950549652010-03-29T18:47:17.390-04:002010-03-29T18:47:17.390-04:00@redeem147: The same podcast has him listed as fig...<b>@redeem147:</b> The same podcast has him listed as figment/apparition. Given that Hurley also sees glimpses of the mental institution, I'm just calling figment.<br /><br />This was in a season where they had to write stand alone episodes, some of season 1, 2 and 3 eps may not have anything to do with the general storyline/mythology. I think this is one that unfortunately resembles an important aspect of it.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-7355854503136613482010-03-29T18:38:38.799-04:002010-03-29T18:38:38.799-04:00@EvaHart: Tanyam's podcast link has 'descr...<b>@EvaHart:</b> Tanyam's podcast link has 'descriptions' and lists who is what, somewhat.<br /><br />Boar and Cat are 'animals';<br />The cat Nadia also listed as coincidence';<br />Yemi as monster;<br />Emily (Ben's mother) as 'apparition';<br />Walt apparition as maybe monster-related;<br />Spiders (Nikki/Paulo) as monster;<br /><br />Christian, Yemi, Horse are also listed as 'undead';<br /><br /><br />Also, the previous podcast (for <i>The Other Woman</i>) explicitly list Harper as being alive and should appear again - though that may be unlikely anymore.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-27087683153273640152010-03-29T18:38:33.034-04:002010-03-29T18:38:33.034-04:00I'm not sure about Hugo and Dave, since he was...I'm not sure about Hugo and Dave, since he was imaginary in the hospital too (unless he's always been able to see ghosts, but that seems a recent ability.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-28963223900293330022010-03-29T17:27:14.351-04:002010-03-29T17:27:14.351-04:00@Benny,SP- The Harper thing has got me completely ...@Benny,SP- The Harper thing has got me completely confused. For some reason I though that she was dead, so I assumed it was a smokey manisfestation yet there is no evidence to say she is dead, apart from the whispers which we don't even know if they have anything to do with it. The magic box idea sounds much more interesting anyway!<br />Another way of thinking of the box is that there is a separate entity-but not smokey- that appears to everyone as something different, a bit like how the Wizard appears to everyone as something different in The Wizard of Oz.<br /><br />Jack- Christian<br />Kate- Horse<br />Sawyer- Boar<br />Locke-'something beautiful'<br />Richard-Isabella (the first one)<br />Juliet- Harper<br />MIB- Blond boy<br />Hurley- Dave <br />Sayid- Cat?<br />Ben- His mother<br /><br />Before I would of said it was Smokey appearing as all these people, yet as he sees someone it would seem that it is soemthing different. It would be interesting to think that all these people/animals are actually the same thing just in another form that help everoneto 'rediscover' themselves.EvaHarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11047750533995811019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-39257845147998996042010-03-29T15:50:38.089-04:002010-03-29T15:50:38.089-04:00I totally understand the hectic schedule keeping y...I totally understand the hectic schedule keeping you from writing, Nikki. I finally finished my thoughts on "Ab Aeterno." http://tinyurl.com/yg3oznz.<br /><br />As for the cabin? I'm still totally lost on that one. It moves around, but then its firmly in one place. It appears to be a prison, but its prisoner is still able to roam the Island freely. It's a contradiction.<br /><br />Maybe it wasn't a prison for the Man-in-Black. Maybe it was keeping something away from him that made using John Locke as a loophole possible. Perhaps this was why Christian came to Claire -- in order to trick her into breaking the line in the protective ash.<br /><br />Just an idea.<br /><br />Enjoy LOST Tuesday tomorrow, everyone!Ambivalentmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12340690686932188014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-78775939216838221492010-03-29T14:57:34.189-04:002010-03-29T14:57:34.189-04:00@Kiki: No one knows for sure. Jacob tells Ilana si...<b>@Kiki:</b> No one knows for sure. Jacob tells Ilana six while in the hospital, did that include Locke or not?<br />As for Walt and Aaron, wild cards right now.<br /><br />I did a break down in the Nikki's <i>Ab Aeterno</i> post, you should check it out.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-62773553546570114142010-03-29T14:50:29.025-04:002010-03-29T14:50:29.025-04:00I may be late to the game here, but I trying to fi...I may be late to the game here, but I trying to figure out who the six candidates are -- I didn't have the patience to try and figure it out from the lighthouse wheel. So I figure in he mix as possible candidates are Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Sun, Jin, and Hurley as the obvious. I'm guessing Sayid is out. What about Aaron? Or even Walt? I know he hasn't been around but stranger things have happened! Any other thoughts? Does anyone know for sure?<br /><br />Thanks Nikki for a great blog! I've only been following it for a few weeks and I love it!Kikinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-88962084781073697102010-03-29T14:47:53.692-04:002010-03-29T14:47:53.692-04:00No yeah, definitely worth positing I think. Just a...No yeah, definitely worth positing I think. Just as any theory, it may well lead to something!Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-82742476873120233382010-03-29T14:34:05.993-04:002010-03-29T14:34:05.993-04:00Benny: Yeah, no, there isn't any good reason t...Benny: Yeah, no, there isn't any good reason to assume Harper's a "magic box" happening - it's just sort of a "wouldn't that be cool" theory that kinda fits with other possible magic box happenings leading survivors to help "find" and/or "rediscover" themselves. And, of course, it's an attempt to explain something that has yet to be made clear :)Sagacious Penguinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02300030494408133540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-34711212771792493232010-03-29T13:36:51.661-04:002010-03-29T13:36:51.661-04:00@SP:
I still have to find a reference to Harper b...<b>@SP:</b><br /><br />I still have to find a reference to Harper being Harper. It's only recollection and that was a while back so I may be mistaken as well.<br /><br />I hadn't caught on to Harper being a Magic Box-projection of Juliet's subconscious. I took those as separates, so to me Jack seeing her implied not a subconscious thing.<br /><br />And for Isabella being a vision, I definitely agreed that there are reasons to believe so, the framing can be seen that way. I was just putting in contrast with how previous visions were always explicitly revealed as visions within the same episode.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-34594217451567115582010-03-29T13:16:12.402-04:002010-03-29T13:16:12.402-04:00@ Benny:
Re the Island's "Magic Box"...@ Benny:<br /><br />Re the Island's "Magic Box" working off-Island, I like to think once touched, always touched. Meaning the ability was able to follow Jack off-Island because he experienced it on-island.<br /><br />Re Harper: Don't recall the writers bringing up Harper being the actual Harper, but they certainly could have. Either way, Jack seeing her isn't a problem since these magic box things are frequently seen by other people. Sawyer saw Kate's Horse and the MIB's bloody-handed Kid. Could be a Sawyer-thing of course, but I have doubts about that. But if it was the real Harper I wonder if her ability to zap in out of nowhere will ever be an ability of the Others that's explained... if so, hopefully in connection with a few select Others' abilities to "leave the Island" or perhaps appear off-Island, like Richard, Ethan, and Mr. Friendly...<br /><br />Re: The whispers - you bring up a good point with them. I currently have no clue what visions/happenings they're actually connected with. I mean they've always been associated a bit with the Others, such as with Harper or preceding their attack on our heroes in the S2 finale, but they also occurred during things like Sawyer encountering the Frank-Duckett-infused Boar which don't seem Other-related... Hopefully some form of clarification will come!<br /><br />Re Isabella being a vision: The reason this was how I instantly interpreted it before even thinking or analyzing it in the framework of the show was how it was book-ended by Richard being unconscious. The combination of a character out of consciousness and experiencing something impossible was enough of a clue in my opinion. After further thought that it was seeing a dead person whose body was not available to Smokey AT THE SAME TIME as Smokey in Smoke-form... well I haven't heard a better explanation yet :)Sagacious Penguinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02300030494408133540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-82774276186689126432010-03-29T11:46:53.725-04:002010-03-29T11:46:53.725-04:00@SP: I'll have to check your full post on this...<b>@SP:</b> I'll have to check your full post on this, but just some thoughts on the highlights. It's definitely a sound theory.<br /><br />-Christian also appeared off-island, so does the island's magic box ability extend beyond the island itself?<br /><br />-The writers also said that Harper was an actual projection of the real Harper <b>(I'll have to find the segment again)</b>.<br />That (1) Jack sees her and (2) the whispers pre and post apparition suggests it is not Juliet's subconscious (1) nor the smoke monster (2).<br /><br /><br />One thing I don't like about Isabella being a vision is that, all other visions have been shown on-screen to be such. As a stand alone, the scene does not show any clear indication that is the case. Only in light of what we've scene on the show can we suggest that possibility. Just a nitpick!Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-52385793613259579552010-03-29T11:06:13.480-04:002010-03-29T11:06:13.480-04:00I go in depth on this in my own blog, but here'...I go in depth on this in my own blog, but here's a summary of my thoughts: <br /><br />Visions/apparitions come from three sources: They're actually dead people visiting Hurley; They're either FROM the MIB or the MIB himself; or they're pulled out of the losties' minds via the Island's "magic box" ability. <br /><br />The MIB himself can take the form of dead people if he has had physical contact with their bodies (Yemi, Non-Suited Christian, Locke, and probably Alex).I believe Hurley actually saw the MIB with Christian's body getting ready to take his form in the Cabin in 4.01 The Beginning of the End.<br /><br />The MIB can also IMPART visions to people that he's scanned based on their memories (Locke's S1 and S2 visions that lead him the to the Swan and the Pearl, Eko's S3 visions that lead him to meet MIB as Yemi in 3.05 The Cost of Living, and Richard's vision of Isabella on board the Black Rock). These sequences are usually dreamlike in some way and often occur as lapses in time, as opposed to the realtime multi-person interactions of the MIB's Yemi/Christian/Locke appearances. <br /><br />And Finally, the "magic box." Probably the closest we'll ever get to a "will of the Island" or the Island itself influencing people -- which to some extent is people influencing themselves. These are things like Kate's horse, the suited-Christian Shepard, bloody-handed Kid, Ben's Mother, and many others. My personal favorite THEORETICAL magic box pull-out would be Harper in 4.06 The Other Woman. I think it a rather neat possibility that Juliet's subconscious was testing her loyalty to the Others via the Island's magic box ability - and ultimately freeing her from responsibility to them.Sagacious Penguinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02300030494408133540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-44348395136773673162010-03-29T10:31:22.886-04:002010-03-29T10:31:22.886-04:00@JS- Yes the first Isabella could be a dream, that...@JS- Yes the first Isabella could be a dream, that would make sense due to his drowsy, food and water deprived state.<br /><br />@Tanyam- Thanks for the link, that was helpful and also sugests that smokey was somehow involved with the Walt apparations. Interesting...EvaHarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11047750533995811019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-79828136326162101162010-03-29T10:22:12.996-04:002010-03-29T10:22:12.996-04:00hey all...here's my 6 Cents for today...
in AB...hey all...here's my 6 Cents for today...<br />in AB Aeterno when the MIB breaks the wine bottle...symbolism for "breaking" the rules???<br />I feel it is...OxOCloenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-36020452927099331222010-03-29T08:18:50.415-04:002010-03-29T08:18:50.415-04:00I found the transcript of the podcast where Damon ...I found the transcript of the podcast where Damon and Carlton discuss the nature of the various sightings on the island. It was recorded 2 years ago, so some of the newer apparitions aren't discussed, but it may be helpful to some.<br /><br />http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Official_Lost_Podcast_transcript/March_21,_2008Tanyamnoreply@blogger.com