tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post6987731875687621658..comments2024-02-04T05:13:04.501-05:00Comments on Nik at Nite: Lost 5.14: The VariableNikki Staffordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04463618183850438914noreply@blogger.comBlogger172125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-80047227880262782872009-05-06T18:06:00.000-04:002009-05-06T18:06:00.000-04:00Well, relatively speaking, we don't have long to w...Well, relatively speaking, we don't have long to wait to get the answers to all of our questions. At least I hope the writers don't let us down!<br /><br />Looking forward to tonight's episode.Debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14727838932426472799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-87287919998129419662009-05-06T16:45:00.000-04:002009-05-06T16:45:00.000-04:00Benny, my friend, I salute you. Wonderful what you...Benny, my friend, I salute you. Wonderful what you did, and it did clarify some hazy points for me. Thanks for all the effort you put into it.<br />I also listened to the latest podcast, and in it, Damon confirmed that the Island is moving in "space." We all suspected that the Island was moving in time, but how? If the Island moves, say, to the future after it was destroyed or something, that's okay. But what if it moved to a time where/when it already was? Doesn't that create 2 Islands? Wouldn't that cause paradox?<br />But I'm still not buying the "Island moving in space" thing. I mean, does the Island take a vacation from its troubles and go to the Caribbean and during next movement it goes to Alaska? Or it does move but remains hidden in its dome or bubble? That's kind of convincing to me.<br />Would like to read your thoughts about that.Hisham Fahmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11988963046927955555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-80420438512286164752009-05-06T13:23:00.000-04:002009-05-06T13:23:00.000-04:00@Deborah: That's the question isn't it?
From the ...<B>@Deborah:</B> That's the question isn't it?<br /><br />From the theory I outline, the events of 1974/77 and 2004/07 are constantly linked by the laws of probability. So there was an original event that permitted this link, whether this was the original incident as we've known so far or something else, only the writers <I>MAY</I> know.<br /><br />I have an interesting analogy that I developed from the recent podcast. Damon and Carlton were discussing Daniel's idea and relating it to dropping rocks into a stream. If you attempt changes by dropping pebbles, the stream will keep it's course. On the other hand, if you make a giant change akin to dropping a boulder, you may be able to change the stream (of time).<br /><br />I like the idea and it makes sense. But one would think that killing Ben would have been a boulder. But I digress...<br /><br />What I thought of was to use this rock analogy to represent my model. Boulders are too big to lift and drop in the stream. So you're forced to make small changes by dropping pebbles. If enough changes are made (enough pebbles dropped on top of each other) you may be able to significantly alter the course of history. But one would have to keep the memories of previous alterations to know what they're doing, which seems like an improbable scenario, unless you're <I>SPECIAL</I> and are made aware of the changes happening, kind of outside the rules of history.<br /><br />Has anyone on the show been called special in such a way?Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-84641766087983586952009-05-05T23:21:00.000-04:002009-05-05T23:21:00.000-04:00Benny - What an incredible amount of thought you ...Benny - What an incredible amount of thought you put into your brief on time travel. The line that sums it up best for me is: [In a sense, the past can be changed but only in a way that will lead to future event allowing the past to be changed.] The time loop exists into google infinity, creating and recreating the events that cause 815 to crash. <br /><br />Now the next question is - who set this chain of events in motion? Jacob? Who is Jacob?????Debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14727838932426472799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-88698147133115209712009-05-05T23:02:00.000-04:002009-05-05T23:02:00.000-04:00Maybe he was going to do a group time jump through...Maybe he was going to do a group time jump through a black hole. Good point, SonshineMusic.<br /><br />Benny, I am still working on your paper. All very well thought out and interesting.Debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14727838932426472799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-22032540727120636992009-05-05T22:47:00.000-04:002009-05-05T22:47:00.000-04:00Here's another thought to ponder, though I realize...Here's another thought to ponder, though I realize it's rather late... How on earth did Daniel expect everyone to evacuate off of the Island? There is no way everyone would fit on a sub. If the "incident" is going to happen in six hours, that's not near enough time for them to have the sub make multiple trips. Unless they were going to go to alcatraz?Rebecca T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11994380364321336824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-89438824842380596012009-05-05T09:46:00.000-04:002009-05-05T09:46:00.000-04:00Re: Charlie=Charlie: Although we do have the memor...Re: Charlie=Charlie: Although we do have the memory of Charlie at the pool, the other one of Christmas was more of a vision or a dream that morphed. It might have been based on some sort of actually event, but it didn't have to be. It was all tied into Charlie thinking he had to save Aaron.Rebecca T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11994380364321336824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-68848207003621324812009-05-05T08:32:00.000-04:002009-05-05T08:32:00.000-04:00Cheers, Benny, looking forward to reading it.Cheers, Benny, looking forward to reading it.Batcabbagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16609077644806458692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-90516678203908423402009-05-05T08:03:00.000-04:002009-05-05T08:03:00.000-04:00Here, I'll just post the address and you can copy-...Here, I'll just post the address and you can copy-paste it, seems it might be easier that way!<br /><br />http://www.sfu.ca/~bstooke/Event%20Probability%20in%20Lost.pdfBennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-86255545886251444042009-05-05T03:25:00.000-04:002009-05-05T03:25:00.000-04:00@Benny: I was real interested to read your Event ...@Benny: I was real interested to read your Event Probability hypothesis, but I can't get the link to open or save. Has anyone else had problems? I try to open in another window, and all I get is this comments page. Sorry for the inconvenience, but could you post another link? I'm very interested to see your take on all this 'Whatever Happened, Happened' business (I find myself firmly in the 'nothing has changed, it's happening as it always does' camp).Batcabbagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16609077644806458692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-89268644843902004592009-05-04T15:31:00.000-04:002009-05-04T15:31:00.000-04:00I agree. We have only seen her in the scene with K...I agree. We have only seen her in the scene with Kate and Aaron. She was such a major character and I've sorely missed her.Debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14727838932426472799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-84015688405572732952009-05-04T15:17:00.000-04:002009-05-04T15:17:00.000-04:00I don't remember if it was a press release, interv...I don't remember if it was a press release, interview or podcast. But viewers were worried about Claire after season 4 and the execs came out just to appease any uprising to clarify that Claire would eventually return.<br /><br />It's too bad she wasn't involved in at least one episode of the current season.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-51154022117372500792009-05-04T15:06:00.000-04:002009-05-04T15:06:00.000-04:00Thanks, Benny. I was unaware there was info about ...Thanks, Benny. I was unaware there was info about Claire appearing in season 6.Debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14727838932426472799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-82975175517736358422009-05-04T15:04:00.000-04:002009-05-04T15:04:00.000-04:00Blam: you are quite right, of course. If indeed D...Blam: you are quite right, of course. If indeed Daniel's shooting death is a 'new' event, Eloise/Mrs. Hawking would likely 'remember' it a few days after she sent the O6 back on Ajira 316. I knew there was a great big hole in this theory somewhere but was too caught up in it to see clearly.<br /><br />Still, I wonder what prompted that tearful discussion with young Daniel at the piano. Perhaps a phone call or visitor spurred the emotions?<br /><br />Totally off the cuff, I find myself coming back to the scene of Miles' brief kidnapping in the van with Bram. Why were the OTHERS all wearing masks? There is Bram, big as life, all exposed and recognizable. Is there some reason why it should be important that the rest not be seen by Miles? I mean, aside from the fact that we needed to see Bram?humanebeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15717844158635399246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-61130001516279191872009-05-04T15:02:00.000-04:002009-05-04T15:02:00.000-04:00I thought she wasn't appearing until season 6. We ...I thought she wasn't appearing until season 6. We might hear about her from Christian or Jacob when we see Locke's group.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-79594948996828572782009-05-04T14:53:00.000-04:002009-05-04T14:53:00.000-04:00And speaking of Claire --- are we going to see her...And speaking of Claire --- are we going to see her this season?Debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14727838932426472799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-48576136628786115082009-05-04T14:30:00.000-04:002009-05-04T14:30:00.000-04:00@joshua: I would guess that Charlie lied about bei...<B>@joshua:</B> I would guess that Charlie lied about being champ.<br /><br />When Desmond saves Claire, he says that he did it because he saw Charlie drowning, suggesting Charlie is not a good swimmer. Charlie claimed to being champ just to reassure Claire that he'd be safe.<br /><br />As for the Desmond heard in greatest hits, it's a good catch. The sequence is as follows:<br /><I>"Let's go. Hurry up. Desmond, come one."</I>I think it's a child calling a friend but I can't be sure. Interesting that the name appears though.<br /><br />Maybe Desmond, Penny and Charlie went to 1977 and back in England, Desmond is teaching little Carlie to swim and then recognizes young Charlie Pace. He gets caught up and his son has to call him by his first name (instead of daddy) to get his attention.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-51216953941589973742009-05-04T13:38:00.000-04:002009-05-04T13:38:00.000-04:00This may or may not factor into the current "Is Ch...This may or may not factor into the current "Is Charlie Pace Really Charlie Hume?" discussion but is one of those little details that's been bugging me for years...<br /><br />Waaaaay back at the beginning of 1st season, the 5th episode ('White Rabbit') opens with Charlie waking Jack from sleep (and his flashback dream about the bully fight) in order to have him swim out into the ocean and rescue someone drowning offshore. And Charlie specifically says, "I don't swim." In fact, he says it <I>twice</I>.<br /><br />I know it is a possibility that he was flatly lying -- maybe he was just stoned -- but excepting that possibility... How does one go from "I don't swim" to "junior swim champion in Northern England" who can "hold [his] breath for four minutes" in only 90 days?<br /><br />Don't know if it's pertinent or not, but if you go back to the beginning of 'Greatest Hits' and listen carefully to the audio during the scene wherein Charlie's dad is teaching him to swim, you can clearly hear someone call the name Desmond in the background.yourblindspothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17976169517693699335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-78775126366416571962009-05-03T23:38:00.000-04:002009-05-03T23:38:00.000-04:00@Blam: Do we know Any Nerdy scientists Interested ...<B>@Blam:</B> <I>Do we know Any Nerdy scientists Interested in Exercising their Lovely way with a piano?</I>Ooooh I know! Pick me, pick me! I know the answer, pick meeeee!!!<br /><br /><br /><I>I promise to check it out when possible.</I>If only one person reads it and comments, I'll be happy. Even the better if it's you or Nikki!Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-64859856653082689892009-05-03T23:33:00.000-04:002009-05-03T23:33:00.000-04:00Benny: This is a little heavy, but if you're inter...<I><B>Benny:</B> This is a little heavy, but if you're interested go right ahead.</I>I'd love to dive into that, man, but it's gonna take more focus than I can muster right now; I promise to check it out when possible.Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-43241358969710625242009-05-03T23:27:00.000-04:002009-05-03T23:27:00.000-04:00Humanebean: [W]as his hope that by setting them al...<BR><I><B>Humanebean:</B> [W]as his hope that by setting them all in crazy motion, he was bound to make something happen?</I> <BR><BR>Kinda like a cyclotron — a particle accelerator or "atom-smasher" that propels atomic and subatomic particles using... electric and magnetic fields... <I>Whoa.</I><BR><BR>I really appreciate all the thought you put into your ruminations, HB, but I'm not sure why Eloise's memories of shooting Daniel would catch up with her when he's 11 or so playing the piano. With the glaring and repeatedly cited exception of Desmond remembering the visit from Daniel at the Hatch's non-hatch door 8^) about three years too late, Eloise should actually remember Daniel's Hostile-camp death a few days <I>after</I> dispatching the Oceanic 6 back to the Island. The well-known and perhaps fluctuating spacetime warp around the Island (recall Daniel's missile experiments to determine relative time from the freighter, as well as the months or years that passed when Ben and Locke left the Island via the FDW) might mean that Eloise's memory gain or rewrite would occur somewhat sooner or later, a potential explanation for Desmond's belated recollection, but her remembering it 20 or so years before she should based on elapsed subjective time feels arbitrary, and I don't really see any textual evidence for that being the case. Then again, I'm not sure what I just said makes any sense.<br /><br /><I><B>Nikki:</B> In "Through the Looking-Glass," Bonnie (I think that's the one who was shot?) tells Charlie what the code is on the computer, and says, "It was programmed by a musician."</I> <BR><BR><I><B>Humanebean:</B> If Little Charlie goes, somehow, to the Island in 1977, 1) what's the purpose of it? 2) How long would it take him to learn music there, become capable of "programming" a complicated device?</I><BR><BR>Do we know Any Nerdy scientists Interested in Exercising their Lovely way with a piano?Blamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07342343767763035991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-6509784529649268902009-05-03T23:23:00.000-04:002009-05-03T23:23:00.000-04:00Nikki: Oh writers, please bring Dominic Monaghan ...Nikki: Oh writers, please bring Dominic Monaghan back. Even if just for one episode. I miss Charlie. :::sniff::: <br /><br />What a surprise I had yesteday when we saw Wolverine and there was our Charlie, playing a mutant. So was Keamy. Quite a thrill. Great to see Dominic Monaghan again.Debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14727838932426472799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-5019268961838244752009-05-03T21:45:00.000-04:002009-05-03T21:45:00.000-04:00Changing the Past IS Possible
with some considerat...<B>Changing the Past IS Possible<br />with some considerations</B><A>http://www.sfu.ca/~bstooke/Event Probability in Lost.pdf</A>There have been a few discussions for the past weeks as to whether or not the past could be altered by our time travelers. A lot of the debates were based on Daniel's "whatever happened, happened" statement and whether or not he was correct.<br /><br />Now that Daniel is back and argues that he was wrong and that themselves, as variables, can actually change the past! His own plan to do so raised some issues with regards to a temporal paradox. Namely that if he prevents the incident, which is the catalyst for most of the show, then there is no reason for Dan to be on the freighter and he would not end up in the past in the first place.<br /><br />This is correct, only if we know that the series of events from 1977 to 2004 would result that way. To argue in defense of Daniel's point, I've developed a model of time travel that allows for altering the past and has a contingency for the prevention of a paradox.<br /><br />This is a little heavy, but if you're interested go right ahead. Feel free to comment and if you have any suggestions, don't hesitate: faraday.project@gmail.com<br /><br /><A>http://www.sfu.ca/~bstooke/Event Probability in Lost.pdf</A>Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-57167724816880865662009-05-03T21:43:00.000-04:002009-05-03T21:43:00.000-04:00Interesting thought Nikki! I guess if Charlie is i...Interesting thought Nikki! I guess if Charlie is in fact Charlie, and it is him who programmed it, then we'll have to see how it happens.Bennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036549649615941601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30892649.post-18985353852597241412009-05-03T21:33:00.000-04:002009-05-03T21:33:00.000-04:00Could Charlie have been special in the same way De...Could Charlie have been special in the same way Desmond is? Daniel goes back to see Des in the hatch and tells him to find his mother. In Des's original timeline, that didn't happen. So Des only suddenly gets the memory of it happening in 2007, when he wakes up suddenly in a cold sweat, insisting they go to the island. What if one of the time travellers goes to a different time and teaches Charlie Good Vibrations on a different kind of keyboard, and Charlie then only suddenly remembers it right before he has to do it. He wouldn't have necessarily been on the island... he could have just programmed it without knowing it somehow. Hm.Nikki Staffordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04463618183850438914noreply@blogger.com