As always, this is the spoiler board, where you can talk about future episodes of Buffy and Angel without worrying about spoiling anyone. We don't have much left to discuss on Buffy, although Angel still has two seasons left.
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Watching these episodes again makes Amy's spell in season seven even more terrible - that Willow will see Warren's face in the mirror.
You watch Andrew and realize what a long way he comes to being a Watcher.
Willow says 'It's like I'm connected to everything' - which she'll repeat in season seven in relation to good magic.
Anya shows compassion - the root to her failure as a vengeance demon in season seven.
I can't believe I grew to like Andrew so much in Season 7! I hate his guts at this point!
The conversation Buffy, Xander and Dawn have about Warren in this episode is almost an exact opposite of the "I am the law" conversation Buffy, Xander and Willow have in 'Selfless'.
I love the scenes with Anya and Giles in this episode. I wish we got more next season, and we got to see his reaction to her death. Although perhaps not to the same extent as Buffy and Willow, I believe Giles does see Anya as a 'daughter'.
In interviews Joss said that Spike always intended to get his soul back but I agree with Rob, this does not seem to be the intent based on the way Spike was talking.
But I knew that he was going to get his soul when I first watched it because if he had known how to get the chip out all this time then why hadn't he gone and gotten it out back before he had any thoughts of loving Buffy or when he was first horrified at realizing he was in love with her or any half a dozen other times when he was whining about having the chip and not being a monster, etc...
Colleen,
I thought that when Amy realized how much Warren screwed with Willow and then in Season 8 knew she would have to deal with Willow, this is why she went and brought Warren back from his mystical death. Later I heard that Joss had kinda forgot that Warren had been burnt up and said that Amy had found him in the woods all flayed and saved him. But I think she would have had to have raised him to a point before his being torched.
I haven't watched Angel Season 4 since it aired, but as I recall a minor (at least) plot point revolves around the fact that Connor isn't repulsed by Jasmine's true maggoty face because he was raised in Quor'toth and doesn't have conventional notions of beauty. So why was he turned off by Angel's vampire face — especially since, like I noted in the non-spoiler comments, infant Connor was calmed by that very face? Methinks they not only dropped a continuity point there but missed picking up a potentially interesting thread from it as well.
Kluu: I thought that when Amy realized how much Warren screwed with Willow and then in Season 8 knew she would have to deal with Willow
Please keep even the "Spoiler Forum" comments free from spoilers on the Season 8 comics! Your reference didn't affect me since I'm about halfway through, but I'm only halfway through and there's at least one big-deal spoiler that I'm trying in vain to not remember. Other folks are likewise planning to read but not yet finished with the comics.
Efthymia: I can't believe I grew to like Andrew so much in Season 7! I hate his guts at this point!
Yeah. I'm trying to remember (not having re-watched the series as much as most of you) how I accepted him as a sympathetic character, not only because he's so snivelly but because he's really (a)morally culpable for so much of what the Trio did or tried to do. Over in Teebore's X-Men reread, we've had similar conversations about Emma Frost; as someone who read her introduction as it was published I was never able to buy into her being a "good guy" later. And I'm not nearly as forgiving of Ben Linus on Lost as many others are.
VW: parkingi — A traditional martial-arts uniform worn by valets at the dojo.
@Blam: I think infant Connor would have been calmed by a vamp face because he likley felt the change in Darla very often. Then after years of listening to Holz and how vamp's kill, he became repulsed by vamp faces and demons like Lorne, but his main reason for following maggot Jasmine was his whole life was based on lies nd at least this one was a happy lie.
The comics screw up The Killer In Me's premise even more. Warren even said in the first arc, Amy had like a 4 second window after his skin was gone, so it was before the burning, while Willow was still in front of him. Like she couldn't sense Amy's magic?
Kluu, I meant the spell Amy did that turned Willow into Warren.
ATF is awesome. It picks up right where NFA ends. A big problem of mine with S8 is they pushed freedom of comics too far so t feels disconnected from the show IMO. ATF also does stuff that would've been impossible for TV, but given the setting it pulls it off and it actually makes it plausible that thus us the same universe as the TV show.
Rifts from NFA are adressed and mended and the thing feel very Angel like. Also it's complicated, a Wiki summary is confusing.
Also read mini-series Spike After the Fall to cover a gap in Spike's timeline.
There were many times when I preferred the Angel line to the Buffy comics.
Brian Lynch gets the characters, particularly Spike.
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