Well, I said it would happen, and now it has. After years of
having GRRM’s books sitting beside me, and cracking the first one open only
once before worrying that it might spoil too much of the TV show for me, I’ve
realized I really want to read the source material for one of my favourite
shows. And who better to discuss the books with than Christopher Lockett, my comrade on our Game
of Thrones posts, which we’ve been writing since the very first episode.
If you’re just joining us, we will be discussing George RR
Martin’s first book in the Song of Ice and Fire series in five installments,
every Monday. The complete schedule (and breakdown of the individual sections)
can be found here.
We do urge you to read along with us (or, if you’re very familiar with the
books, to reread the sections along with us) just so we don’t get ahead of
ourselves. What we will be discussing is how the show used this source
material, but also the books as entities unto themselves.
The one thing I do want to point out, however, is that
unlike Christopher, I’ve never read these books, as most of you know. So please
don’t talk about things upcoming in the books that haven’t happened on the
show; just as I worry about spoilers on the show, I worry about spoilers in the
books. So even if you don’t want to reread the sections, take a quick look in
your copy of the book at the section we’re currently talking about, just so we
can stay within that part only.
And now… onto the book club! This first discussion will
cover part one of the book, pages 1-159 in the mass market, and 1-133 in the
trade paperback (ending with “But not very fast.”)
Nikki: First off,
I can now see why so many people were drooling over these books in the first
place, and why the fans of the books were so bloody excited to see an
adaptation of it coming up on HBO when it was first announced. The writing is
superb, fast-paced yet detailed and thoughtful, with the characterizations
consistent and the dialogue beautifully handled. I got a sense of each
character, who they were, and what made them tick right away. As with any book,
what you get in the book that you can’t get in the show (unless it’s the
oft-intrusive voiceovers in Dexter)
is what they’re actually thinking in the scenes. Instead, to let us know why
Catelyn really hates Jon Snow, for example, we need a long exposition scene
where she actually explains to another character how it felt to find out her
husband had fathered a bastard child. And yet, so many of these scenes actually
do have dialogue that discusses the
past, as if GRRM somehow knew from the beginning that this might somehow make
it onto the big or small screen.
So much can be said about the order in which we consume our
popular culture. Just two weeks ago I was on a panel at a Doctor Who convention, and was fascinated to see the different reactions
to John Simm’s Master from those who’d watched the Classic Series first, and
those who’d watched the New Series first. And the same goes for Game of Thrones. If you read the books
first, then you watched the series and said, “Oh, that actor looks nothing like
how I pictured _______ in my head.” But if you watch the series first, then
you’re dealing with the opposite problem. I have the actors’ faces in my head,
and when Joffrey is described as having long flowing curly locks, or Daenerys
is 13, I can’t reconcile the actor’s face in my head with this new person being
described in the book. And yet, perhaps as a testament to Martin’s descriptive
power, in the final part of this section, I’m picture Joffrey with long flowing
curly locks . . . even if he does have Jack Gleeson’s magnificently sneering
face.
In this section we read the story told from the following
points of view: Bran, Catelyn, Daenerys, Eddard, Jon, Arya, Tyrion, and Sansa,
some of them more than once. I’d like to talk about each of these voices and
what it brings to the characters (and how each perspective shapes the
characterization of others), and also look at where the series diverged from
the book as well as how closely it stuck to a lot of it.
But let’s start right at the beginning with the prologue.
This is almost exactly the same
opening as the series back in the pilot episode, right down to the description
of the Others, as if casting a pall over the entire story. “You know those
little scary stories the children hear before they go to bed? They’re real.” From the very first page,
I thought, Whoa. The HBO showrunners really WERE faithful to their subject
matter. There are certainly many other changes after that, but fundamentally,
their adherence to Martin’s vision is uncanny.
So, Chris, you’re picking up the first book again after
reading it so many times. When I first met you in 1996, you were already a fan
of this first book, if I recall correctly. What’s it like coming back to it
after watching the series?
Chris: It’s not
so much coming back to it after seeing the series—I’ve been rereading the
novels as we go through their respective seasons—as it is sitting down with A Game of Thrones with a more
specifically critical eye. We’re currently looking at it in my graduate seminar
on contemporary fantasy, so I’ll definitely pass on the thoughts my students
have; but it’s always interesting to approach a novel you have always loved
from a different perspective (I’m teaching a course on The Lord of the Rings next term, so that should be even odder).
One of the things I’m noticing most acutely is GRRM’s
economy of storytelling—a counterintuitive thing to suggest with an
eight-hundred page novel perhaps, but he does a pretty remarkable job of laying
out the key characters and conflicts within about sixty or seventy pages. The
various stories mushroom exponentially out from here—cribbing Tolkien, GRRM
often says that the story “grew in the telling”—to the point where, frankly,
it’s starting to get unwieldy. At this point I will follow these novels
wherever they go, but A Dance With
Dragons was, to quote a friend of mine, something like pulling taffy
(narratively speaking). So it’s kind of refreshing to go back to the beginning
of things where GRRM isn’t overwriting it all yet.
I also thought, “here’s where we see the predominant reason
for the series’ success,” namely the way he creates compelling characters
embedded in a vividly imagined and detailed world. I think it goes without
saying that one of the reasons fantasy as a genre errs on the side of bloat is
because the author is obliged to lay out a believable and interesting
alternative world, one we want to return to repeatedly. GRRM is very deft with
the details that make his world resonate in the imagination—those elements of tactile
reality, from the roughness of the stone to the taste of the food (you can tell
he likes his food) that gives life to an imaginary place. To a certain extent, all fiction faces this issue, except
that with narratives set in the “real” world (what Tolkien called the “primary
reality”), it’s far easier to offer shorthand for everything readers will be
familiar with and pay close attention to those elements the author wants to
defamiliarize.
What I love most about A
Game of Thrones is that what GRRM wants to defamiliarize is fantasy
itself—and he’s smart enough to give us many of the conventional tropes
(knights, castles, kings and queens, etc.) while at the same time withholding
others: magic, chivalry, nobility of behavior, high-flown manners and speech,
to say nothing of magical creatures. Of course, you read that preceding
sentence and think “Um … direwolves? Dragon eggs? White walkers? And wait,
isn’t Ned Stark the epitome of honour?” And yes … too true. But I would suggest
that, even in these early pages, there’s a suggestion that not all is
fantasyland. For one thing—and I’ll be returning to this theme as our reading
goes on—the principal narrative dynamic established is less fantasy and more
murder mystery. This, after all, is Ned’s main motivator: was Jon Arryn
murdered? Was it in fact the Lannisters? And on a secondary note: will Jaime
and Cersei be discovered? These questions set the stage for a novel preoccupied
not with magical power but political power. Ned’s predawn ride with Robert
provides our first inkling of what he’ll be facing in King’s Landing: a
capricious and impulsive king with pet obsessions, but who is easily led; the
machinations of the most powerful family in Westeros; and the fact that as Hand
he’ll be serving a king indifferent to the minutiae of ruling a kingdom.
Nikki: A murder
mystery is exactly what it is. And you’re right; the dragons and white walkers
and direwolves aren’t considered magical at all, but larger-than-life aspects
of their world. A direwolf is a real animal, just like dragons. The reason
they’re so awe-inspiring to the young people in the book is because they’ve
both been rendered extinct in one way or the other, and suddenly the direwolves
have shown up. They’re not magical; they’re simply something that no longer
exists. The white walkers are considered the stuff of legend, like the
chubacabra or the Yeti, but not something magical by any means.
The direwolves are the only thing I think the show didn’t
quite do justice to, and I think it would have been difficult to have done so.
For the past three years, as you and I have been discussing the show, I’ve
talked about how much I love the direwolves as pets, while you love them as
these gigantic majestic creatures. Yes, they’re made to look larger than wolves
on the show, but not the massive beasts they are in the books. They’re
omnipresent in the books, and just appear occasionally on the show. I would
refer to them as “Arya’s direwolf” or “Sansa’s direwolf” while you referred to
them as Nymeria or Lady. I could never remember their names, but that’s all
they’re called in the books. I have an entirely new appreciation for the
importance of these animals after reading the books.
The ages of the characters was another thing I had to get
used to. Daenerys is 13; on the show she appears to be about 19 or 20. Jon and
Robb are 14; on the show they’re in their early 20s. Bran is 7; on the show I’d
say he’s about 10 or 11. Rickon is 3; the two and a half times he’s been on the
show he looks about 7. Ned is 35; on the show he’s probably in his mid-50s. But
then again, that works. Bringing it back to what you were saying, Chris, the
show seems to be set in some sort of medieval land, with medieval England being
the closest comparison point, right down to the relative shape of the country.
And in medieval England, life expectancy was probably about age 40. In that
case, at 13/14, Jon, Robb, and Daenerys are the equivalent of today’s late
20s/early 30s. Bran, at 7, would the equivalent of today’s 13 or 14. So the
casting is quite perfect. (Not to mention, any casting agent knows that if you
cast too young, you run into difficulties; just look at the rapid aging they’re
trying to hide already with Bran and Arya.) So really, the only thing I had to
get used to with the different ages was when I first read them, but the way
they acted seems consistent with the ages of the actors.
It’s been a while since we wrote that very first piece about
the pilot episode, Chris. Do you remember what your initial reactions were to
the casting, based on the book? Were GRRM fans generally happy with the
choices?
Chris: I don’t
know of many people unhappy with the casting; I was quite pleased, and
completely unsurprised at how they’d advanced the characters’ ages. After all,
in a novel it’s disturbing and creepy for a thirteen-year-old girl to be
married off to a musclebound barbarian, but at least there’s an intellectual
and historicist calculation you can do, reminding yourself that child brides
have been the norm for the larger proportion of human history (and when, as you
say, life expectancy is around 40, it doesn’t seem quite so egregious). That
being said, I don’t think even HBO could get away with a literally Lolita-aged
Daenerys—for one thing, I think depicting that might actually be technically
illegal. On the other hand, I’d forgotten how surprisingly tender the
consummation of Drogo and Dany’s marriage is in the book … she’s terrified, but
he is gentle with her, whereas in the series it is presented as unequivocal
rape.
I read a book this summer called The Time Traveler’s Guide to Medieval England by Ian Mortimer, and
I’d recommend it to anyone who needs a reality check about fantasy’s often
sentimental or nostalgic depiction of the medieval world. A representative
quotation, describing what you can expect as you approach a 14th-century
town:
“And then you notice the smell. Four hundred yards from the
city gate, the muddy road you are following crosses a brook. As you look along
the banks you see piles of refuse, broken crockery, animal bones, entrails,
human faeces, and rotting meat strewn in and around the bushes. In some places
the muddy banks slide into thick quagmires where townsmen have hauled out their
refuse and pitched it into the stream. In others, rich green grasses, reeds,
and undergrowth spring from the highly fertilized earth. As you watch, two
semi-naked men lift another barrel of excrement from the back of a cart and
empty it into the water. A small brown pig roots around on the garbage. It is
not called Shitbrook for nothing.”
There’s no fantasy author I’ve yet encountered who really
manages to captures the squalor of medieval life (for that, I maintain, nothing
gets it like Monty Python and the Holy
Grail), though it does pose the question of just how many people would
cheerfully read something that did. For all that, however, GRRM does a
reasonable job: though he mostly downplays the dirt, shit, and rampant disease
of the medieval world (except for when he highlights it in the slums of King’s
Landing), he’s quite unflinching about its matter-of-fact violence and the fact
that the common folks’ fortunes and the quality of their civic lives are
entirely dependent on whether or not they have a fair and generous lord. The
knights of Westeros are not
the gallant figures of Arthurian legend, but highly trained killers.
It’s
telling that Sansa is the only character who’s allowed to entertain her
illusions for any length of time: Jon Snow learns soon enough that his idea of
life at the wall is dramatically different from its reality. In fact, as we go
forward it might be interesting to map out the degree and scope of characters’
delusions, and how it relates to their station and role. Again, Sansa is the
obvious example here, and her delusions persist in part because they are encouraged
by her septa and by all the others grooming her to be a proper lady. But at the
same time, her father is just as delusional, and he’s in the process of
bringing that naivety about honour and right to King’s Landing—which, unless
I’m misremembering, Obi-Wan Kenobi called “a hive of scum and villainy.”
Nikki: What a great passage; I’ll have to check out
that book. I remember years ago, the first time I went to England I visited
Battle and the castle there. The tour guide was explaining that the “indoor
toilets” consisted of these holes in the floor that were along the edges of the
room, which were built to be set out from the walls below it. So you’d do your
business, so to speak, through the open hole, it would slide down this chute
that’s positioned on the outside walls and just… land on the grounds there. And
I remember thinking, “God, this country must have reeked to high hell in the
medieval period.” And with limited baths, soap, dental care, and any sort of
personal hygiene, it makes the idea of personal intimacy somewhat revolting.
Yes, I was
quite surprised to see the tenderness with which Khal Drogo treats Daenerys in
the book, because I vividly remember him bending her over and taking her quite
violently on the show. (And you’re right; it would be illegal to show someone
as young as her in any sort of sexual way.) But here he’s quite surprisingly
tender from the start, and to be honest, that made a little more sense to me.
Knowing how he treats Daenerys on the show in the beginning, but then
ultimately earns her complete love, devotion, and loyalty, was always a bit
uncomfortable, but what does work
with that idea on the show is that Daenerys is the one who turns things around,
and in so doing earns his respect and love, which then makes her respect and
love him just as much. So I’m interested in watching this love bloom and grow a
little differently than it did on the show.
Another
thing that struck me in the book was just how much Catelyn despises Jon Snow.
In season 3, there’s a scene immediately before the Red Wedding where Catelyn
is travelling and she’s making a dream catcher, and she recalls in this
beautiful scene the time when she wished Jon Snow dead, and then the boy got
really sick, and she sat by his bed, made one of these dream catchers for him,
and prayed to save him, because she realized he was completely innocent and
shouldn’t be blamed for the faults of his father. I remember you saying that
scene was entirely fabricated for the show and didn’t exist in the book. Now,
reading how much Catelyn hates him, I wonder if that scene seems a little out
of place; if she recalls that feeling of sympathy and a small bit of caring for
the boy, then why does she show him nothing but contempt and hostility now? On
the show it still works, because you can’t read her mind and you don’t know if
she hisses at him to get away from her while inside feeling a little sorry for
him. But in the book it’s unequivocal hatred, not an ounce of sympathy for him.
So it seems reasonable to me now that we never would have had that scene here.
I must say
I laughed out loud when Jon Snow mutters to Arya, “Joffrey is truly a little
shit.” HAHA! I thought that was just our term for him, and didn’t realize it
had actually been coined in the book! Brilliant.
As for
Sansa, I’m hoping getting things from her point of view will help us sympathize
with her a little more than I did in the first couple of seasons of the show.
But so far, even with that one Sansa p.o.v. chapter, I loathed her for taking
Joffrey’s side in the Arya/Joffrey debate. I’m looking forward to the next
perspective chapter of hers, though.
One
character who seemed more complex to me in the books than in the series is
Viserys. He’s still horrible, hissing at Daenerys that he doesn’t care if all 40,000
men rape her as long as he gets what he wants, but there’s this moment in the
second Daenerys chapter, I think it was, where the narrator explains what
Viserys went through during the battle, that he saw his mother die giving birth
to Daenerys and that’s why he hated his sister so much, and I suddenly saw him
as a little boy, loving his mother and watching her die, then having to take
care of this baby as their family was massacred around them. It’s a momentary
sympathy, for sure, but more than I ever had for the TV character.
Chris: Yes, the reality of the personal hygiene in the
Middle Ages is a sobering thought, and somewhat amusing when one considers just
how sexed-up depictions in fantasy or historical fiction can be. And never mind
the smell, we should always remind ourselves when watching GoT that the sheer
amount of flawless skin on display during the brothel scenes would have been
historically anachronistic—you’d see a lot of boils, rashes, fleabites, and
scabs, and I doubt everyone would be shaved, plucked, and primped to such a
contemporary standard … even in such a high-end establishment as
Littlefinger’s.
Catelyn’s
deep antipathy to Jon Snow always struck me as her sole character flaw (or at
least the only one really worth mentioning), though it also serves to show just
how much she has come to love and respect Ned. Considering that he married her
out of duty and she was being used—whether being wed to Ned or his older brother—as
a bargaining chip in the sealing of an alliance, they certainly appear to have
the most loving and balanced marriage in the book (and, I’ll hazard to say, in
the entire series). I suppose Daenerys gets there with Drogo, but we see too
much of the early, painful phases with them … Ned and Catelyn come to us after
having over the years grown to genuinely love one another. Which is what makes
Jon Snow such a sticking point—on one hand, we want her to forgive Ned his
ostensible philandering, especially considering it was just the once (and with
Ned, we do believe it was just the once); and if she cannot, we want her to not
take it out on Jon. On the other hand, it is easy to see how that one nagging transgression,
especially considering he refuses to even talk about it, acts as an onion in
her ointment.
I actually
enjoyed the speech they gave Catelyn in the show: it provided a little more
context, and gave us more than just her implacable hatred of her husband’s
bastard.
I’m ready
for section two! So happy we’re finally doing this. We’ll see everyone
next week. Meanwhile, stay warm. Winter is coming.
Next week: For those reading along, we'll be covering pp. 160-323 in the mass market; 134-271 in the trade paper, starting with BRAN It seemed as thought he’d been falling for years…” and ending before “TYRION As he stood in the predawn chill…”
4 comments:
I think it's worth noting that Sansa is also much younger here. She's only supposed to be a little younger than Robb. So as easy it is to loathe her, she is still a just a foolish girl. I was certainly an idiot at that age. And she has never had to be anything else....yet. When she does have to grow up, she's an entirely different character, which isn't really portrayed in the show at all.
I'm in the rare position of reading the books for the first time without having seen any of the adaptation save clips and commercials (I know, I know, but HBO is prohibitively expensive, and I'm still not over the way they shamefully guillotined the finest show they've ever broadcast, so my veto is my revenge). What I find most remarkable so far is how easily I've been able to keep up with the staggering number of characters, all based primarily on how well Mr. Martin delineates them, how clearly drawn is each personality and voice. Thoroughly enjoying it so far.
I was surprised at how quickly the book drew me in considering I've seen the show and know all of what has already happened. I was still on the edge of my seat several times in this section. And it's great how closely the show did follow the book, at least in this early bit. (I've heard it deviates later.) It's beyond great to get into the characters' heads and really get what they're thinking and feeling, especially some of the more gray-shaded (if that makes sense) characters. Will we get chapters from Cersei, Jamie, Varys, Littlefinger...or Joffrey? Looking forward to all those.
I'm a little behind, but I just finished this section and was very (pleasantly) surprised how quickly I was hooked on the book. I love that the show has followed the plot so closely and it's great to get the additional details in the book that were left out of the show.
I'm still having a hard time picturing all the characters as being so much younger than they are on the show, but it does make sense. I was also relieved about the differences in Daenerys' wedding night, I was kind of dreading reading the rape scene since she's such a young girl. I'm curious to see how their relationship develops since it's starting off differently than on the show.
Very excited to read further into the book, thanks for starting the book club!
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