Tuesday, March 18, 2014

The Walking Dead 4.14: "The Grove"

In recent weeks my partner in zombie shuffling Josh Winstead and I have been getting these posts out later and later. In fact, if you're still looking for a recap of 4.13 "Alone," no, you didn't miss something; we never got around to posting it (however, it's at the bottom of this recap). But every once in a while an episode comes along that is so affecting, so devastating, that you feel like you need to talk about it. I didn't get to watch the episode until lunch time on Monday, and by that time I'd already had three emails from friends not spoiling me (thank goodness) but just saying, "Have you watched it yet? We need to talk." Another friend phoned me that evening because he had to talk about it with someone.

Thank goodness this was the week we'd previously agreed we'd aim to get out a post earlier than usual. And now, we crawl back into our fetal positions and continue sobbing.

Dear Josh,
So remember when I was recently talking about how there's only been one episode of The Walking Dead that's made me cry, and that was when Sophia came walking out of the barn and was a walker? 

Yeah. Turns out dead little girls are something I can't handle on television. And this week's episode was beyond heartbreaking. 

For several episodes, spread out over a year, we've had little clues that something weird was happening in the prison. Who was hanging rats/mice through the fence slats? Was it Bob Stookey? He's a weird dude. Was it one of the people who hadn't been introduced yet? Had Daryl finally lost it? And then… whoa, there's a dissected animal in the basement. Who the hell did that? Bob Stookey's been hanging out down here a lot (poor Bob… we just kept suspecting him). But… Lizzie's been acting strangely, was it her? As the weeks went on, Lizzie became Suspect #1 in that case, and many viewers (including us) began speculating that perhaps she's the one who killed Karen and David, and that Carol had dragged the bodies upstairs to burn them. The set-up has been a long one (to the point where my cousin's wife said to me the other day, after marathoning the series within a few weeks, that she must have missed an episode because she didn't know who was feeding rats to the zombies at the prison) but it's paid off in this episode. A couple of weeks ago we saw a bunch of little dead bunnies in a row on a log, all left behind by Lizzie Borden Jr., and then there was that frightening scene where she covered Judith's mouth and nose to shut her up, and every viewer was on the edge of his/her seat thinking she was going to shut Judith up for good. 

So we knew something was coming. A confession, maybe? Lizzie going AWOL, something… but not this. Oh my god, not this. I didn't see this coming at all. And certainly not immediately following a testicle joke. 

It would be one thing to suggest Lizzie's a sociopath, or that after she lost her parents, something simply snapped in her head. But there's a scene earlier in the episode where Mika kills a zombie (Lizzie feels something for the zombies and believes they have souls and feelings, ruling out the sociopath idea), and afterwards Lizzie can't calm down. Mika begins reminding her to focus on something in front of her, and begins counting, telling her to breathe… something any parent with a child who suffers from an anxiety disorder has had to do. It was a terrifying scene for me to watch, because I'm uncomfortable with all-too-real depictions of anxiety disorders on television, having experienced it in real life. Whenever Nurse Jackie's daughter Grace has an episode, I feel like I'm going to throw up. 

So imagine realizing that all the calming methods and therapies aren't worth the paper they're printed on if something truly horrific like this happened. The mentally ill can't help that they're mentally ill. But if a group of people were on a deserted island and one of them got terribly sick and couldn't contribute, that person would be killed. Now we realize the mentally ill would suffer the same fate. There are no drugs they can find for her, no way to tell her that the monsters aren't real and everything is OK and she just needs to breathe her way through it and focus on something beautiful in front of her. No… because this sort of person "can't be around people" in an apocalypse. A child with a mental illness can't be helped. They believe the world is a terrifying place and monsters are real; how can you calm them down when… they're right? Clearly her parents always used these techniques on her before the apocalypse, opening closets to prove there were no monsters, that monsters weren't real. And if there's a chance Lizzie was actually getting better with cognitive therapy, and believing that there's no such thing as monsters, now her brain's going the other way and she's looking at the zombies like puppies, rather than realizing that the monsters she feared all along ARE VERY REAL. 

Going back to Rick's questions — "How many walkers have you killed? How many people have you killed? Why?" — the answer to that last one would be, "Because I wanted to prove that when she woke up, we'd be besties." Just as she'd been counselled all her young life, she was just trying to show Carol there was nothing in the closet.

As Carol said, just like Sophia, Mika didn't have a mean bone in her body, so we knew from the beginning of the episode that she was probably going to die. But at the hands of her own sister, who was just trying to prove a point? And then for Carol to have to execute Lizzie for her crime, all the while giving her Mika's calming techniques — "just focus on the flowers, Lizzie" — like George asking Lennie to tell him about the rabbits in Of Mice and Men… ugh, it's just too much sometimes. This episode hurt my heart so much. It was so beautifully done, but was just too real for me. I'll need some time to recover from this one. 

You're a parent, too, Josh; I'm assuming this one hit home in big ways for you? 

All the best,

Dear Nikki -
About a month ago, in our write-up for the 'Inmates' episode, I mentioned that I had a theory about what might happen with Lizzie and Mika based on a brief storyline from the comics. I didn't want to be too specific for fear I was right, but the stories differed enough in detail that I was far from certain. Moreover, the subject matter was so harsh that I suspected it might simply be too much to address on tv, even for a show this adult and intense. The similarities are circumstantial, I reassured myself. They wouldn't go that far. Surely they wouldn't.
Oh, how I wish I'd been right about that.
(Just the same - my apologies for the inadvertent spoiler, Rebecca T. and whomever else I might have tipped off.)
Because, of course, we've now seen that theoretical connection blossom and yield bitter fruit.
They did go there. All the way there. And then blew up the bridge behind them.
I suppose, however, that if you're planning to play out a scenario as profoundly awful as this, then it should at least make an impact. 'The Grove' did that very well, wrapping the tragic story of these sisters and also bringing in and tying up the loose threads of Karen's murder, giving Tyreese closure and bringing the magnitude of the New Morality home to both Carol and Tyreese - and likewise the audience themselves - in the most profound and unsettling way.
The show has been building toward this moment all season, from way back in the premiere episode, when we meet Lizzie and Mika as they are naming walkers at the fence, discussing their persistent humanity, remembering their mother's turning, setting us up for the conflict to come. So many aspects of the story this year -- the unknown individual feeding rats to walkers at the prison fenceline, their father's death on Cell Block D, Carol's clandestine story time training of the prison kids, the mystery of Karen and David's murders, the pain and anger of Tyreese's grief, Rick's excommunication of Carol, the dread possibilities of that vivisected rabbit -- have been diligently pushing us in the direction of the pecan grove. We just didn't know it yet.
That being the case, a lot was riding on this denouement, and its sequence of events served as a perfect peak for the emotional journeys of Tyreese and Carol. That last scene at the farmhouse, as Carol finally confesses to Tyreese and he chooses to forgive her, was breathtaking to watch, a masterful culmination of all these terrible things come down to one last poignant choice. None of it would have packed half the punch if the entire story arc had not been so carefully constructed throughout these past fourteen episodes, and kudos to Scott Gimple and the writing staff for a masterful execution. Coupled with absolutely searing performances from Melissa McBride and Chad Coleman, 'The Grove' proves that playing the long game can pay off in a huge way when it's handled this well.
However, as much as I loved the delivery, the reality of the point they're making is a difficult one to take. I believe there aren't many things in this world as terrifying as being a parent. The responsibility inherent in the care and rearing of a child is a staggering weight to bear, even in the best of circumstances. When you add in the many variables of humankind's genetic lottery, it multiplies that apprehension tenfold. And then, as if all that weren't enough, you also have to raise them in this world, with its myriad dangers and inequities pressing in on you from every direction, as constant and inescapable as gravity.
No matter how long you work at it, no matter how carefully you navigate the slings and arrows, you are always nagged by the feeling that you're doing it all wrong, that everything is about to fall apart, and that when it does, it will surely be your fault. But even the magnitude of that worry pales in comparison to the unquantifiables - the thought of those things over which you have no control whatsoever, that can completely negate every good intention, every thoughtful lesson, every ounce of love and support you pour into the relationship. The greatest strength required by parenthood comes from the certainty that at some point, regardless of what you do, you'll have to let them go. It's a cruel but undeniable truth, and this episode served as a striking reminder.
I need to go hug my kids now. And maybe climb up into their beds and just lie there for a while. Touch their hair. Watch them breathe. Be grateful.
You go do the same.
- j
Dear Josh,
Already did it, my friend. I find I'm doing that a lot these days. As the kids get older and the world gets more complicated (and… as they become more complicated) I find every night I just go in and stare at them, sound asleep, looking like angels, and wishing parenting was as easy as just leaning over a sleeping child and kissing them on the forehead. But it's not. I didn't know what anxiety and stress were until I had kids. I thought working a 60-hour week and having to face a looming book deadline on top of it was stressful. I thought having to work through weekends and still not catching up was stressful. But it's nothing compared to willing your body not to sleep at night because one of your kids has a fever and you have to remain somewhat alert in case she needs you. It's nothing compared to seeing your child become consumed by an anxiety attack. It's nothing compared to holding your child's head in your hands as you race to the hospital because he's split his forehead wide open against a door… or trying to calm the other child who's having another attack because of the dire fear created by seeing all that blood… or worrying that the bullies at school have already sensed your child's vulnerability and are preying on her… or listening to your child talk about how so-and-so is gossiping and trying to turn the rest of the class against her, and trying your damnedest not to go to school and hit the other child yourself… 

As parents, we have one job: to protect those children. And so much of that is teaching those children to protect themselves. We're in an age of helicopter parenting, where every parenting book says you need to rock your baby to sleep and carry him in a sling on your hip… no, you need to let that baby cry himself to sleep and learn independence… no, you need to get a nanny who will give that child lots of one on one time… no, you need to put them in a daycare where they can socialize… no, why the hell are you looking into caregivers when you should be staying at home with them yourself!!… no, you should be going back to work to show the kids what a strong independent woman you are. 

Parenting, as you say, is trying to be a superhero and a nanny and a counsellor and a best friend and a protector and a provider… and feeling every day like you're failing miserably at every one of them. I always wanted to be a different parent than my parents were. And when my kids were very young, I hoped that everything I did for them would make them strong and capable and one day, when they were grown, we would be incredibly close. And now… sometimes after a particularly rough day where I'm utterly defeated, I just hope that when they're adults they don't hate me. 

I couldn't possibly imagine parenting in a more labyrinthine world than the one we're in now. 

You are so correct in that the build-up of the past year was worth it. I've seen many a series draw out something for several episodes, but it's rare to have done it for so long, and so meticulously… and to do it so well that many viewers probably figured, like my cousin's wife, that they'd missed something and just moved on. And then to have the shock of this episode bring it all back was extraordinary and devastating all at once. I couldn't help but think of the episode where Rick exiled Carol, where he basically said to her, "You can't just go off making big decisions like this like you're somehow, oh, I don't know, ME." What would he have thought of her executing Lizzie? Perhaps, in Rick's mind back then, Lizzie could have rehabilitated. "Here, Lizzie, let's grow some strawberries together and everything will be just fine." 

But that's one of the beautiful aspects of separating the groups like this: Carol is able to make this decision, which was probably the right one. And the writing is so carefully crafted this season that the foreshadowing of this episode didn't just come from the Lizzie and Mika story, but from others folding in. A couple of weeks ago, Carl and Michonne were checking out a house and Michonne opened a bedroom door to find an entire family who had committed group suicide together rather than being ripped apart by this horrible apocalypse. If Lizzie's family had done that, a husband wouldn't have had to see his wife die… two girls wouldn't have to watch another woman stick a knife through their dead father's forehead… they wouldn’t have suffered through the gunfire at the prison… Lizzie wouldn't have become a murderer… Mika wouldn't have died at the hands of her older sister… and Carol wouldn't have had to execute Lizzie. Carol shooting Lizzie through the back of the head just made everything STOP. And at this point, that's the best one can do, really. The family that Michonne stumbled upon did the same thing: a mother, by the looks of it, realized that her family was better off dead than roaming the world as walkers, or being chased mercilessly by them. The mother probably sedated them, one by one, and shot them, one by one, and then turned the gun on herself (if that was, in fact, a mother; it could have been a father, too, but the rotting bodies made it tough to tell). And now Carol has to shoot Lizzie, telling her to focus on the flowers in front of her to try to calm her down — still doing the job of a parent right to the end. 

And then… she tells Tyreese. Of course she tells Tyreese. It was the perfect episode in which to do that. Rick and Tyreese and everyone else on their high horses could argue that in this world, you still have to live by the moral codes of the previous one, but Carol sees what the world is really like. Tyreese tells Carol out in the woods that she doesn't have to be ashamed of anything she's done in this world, and he watches a girl kid herself into thinking that the zombies are friendly, that they're worth taking care of, and he saw Carol do the necessary thing. And then, when she tells him what she did, he realizes that even then, Carol had done the necessary thing. From Carol's point of view, much like the mother of that family that Michonne found, it's easy to hand the gun across the table when you're at a low point. If he'd shot her, it might have come as a relief. 

But to the viewers, the relief comes in hearing him forgive her. In a world of pain and suffering, of constant defeat and hopelessness, forgiveness is more precious than gold. He says he won't forget, but he forgives her. What a wonderful, perfect scene. And maybe it's a reminder to all of us parents out here watching that it's OK to forgive ourselves every once in a while, too. Yes, we make mistakes, and no, not everything we do is perfect and something the kids are going to appreciate, but we do what we do because of how much we love them. 

Early in the episode, Carol is discussing Huckleberry Finn with the girls, specifically the character of the Widow Douglas, who takes in Huck and adopts him along with her more rigid sister, Miss Watson. Like Carol, the Widow Douglas takes in a difficult child and treats him with patience and kindness. Huck's story has a happier ending, but it's not because of Carol that things go wrong. When Carol walks Mika out to the woods to talk to her, Mika says she doesn't feel angry about anyone who kills another person. Carol asks why, and Mika says she feels sorry for that person, "because they probably weren't that way before." This apocalypse has changed people. As Tyreese so eloquently put it, "People who are living are haunted by the dead . . . the whole world is haunted now." 

Carol has been haunted by Sophia, who didn't have a mean bone in her body. Now she's haunted by Mika, who was similarly a kind and gentle soul. Lizzie wasn't a monster, but a little girl with a mental illness, one that simply can't survive in this new, uncaring and unforgiving world. As Tyreese and Carol vow to head off to Terminus, they do so with a little baby girl, one that Carol will no doubt protect with her life. If only to prevent having one more dead little girl haunting her every minute of every day. 

We didn't get a chance to talk about last week's episode. As the various groups move towards Terminus, shall we catch everyone up on the others? 


Dear Nikki -
Last week's episode was a step down from the intimacy and focus the previous week's exceptional outing, but the pace was similar, as was the sense that the minds behind the show are trying to give the story some room to breathe, letting character dictate more of its content than plot machinations. It sounds strange to say that, considering how obviously our survivors appear to be headed toward reunion at Terminus. And I do still think it odd that the prison council never thought to organize an outside rendezvous point in case of attack, particularly after The Governor's failed first incursion back at the end of season three. However, it does make sense to think that whomever saw these ubiquitous signs pointing toward a nearby 'sanctuary' would collectively consider it as good a place as any to seek one another out. It ain't perfect, I know, but it works well enough for me.
What's more important is the way this setup serves to draw out their separation, re-setting the pace to allow for a more casual examination of the survivors and their relationships with one another. In 'Alone,' the primary focus was on Bob Stookey, who we already knew to be a recovering alcoholic with hard losses in his past, losses for which he blamed himself. Despite the opening flashback to his time in the wilderness (where he apparently survived on pink frosting and sizzurp), most of his scenes this week related to his present state of mind, which is considerably more solid. Through a series of conversations with Sasha, we learn that he's happy and at peace despite their misfortune, simply because he wasn't the only survivor this time. He feels like his losing streak has been broken now, and it's given him a new lease on life and a new outlook on companionship.
Sasha, of course, wants to be purely pragmatic, find a place to hole up and hunker down, push away any hope in favor of security. She's afraid, and she knows that giving up will be easy to justify under the circumstances. But Bob Stookey surprises her by sticking to his guns, refusing to give up the pursuit of their friends.
It's a nice bookend to the earlier material, which ended with Old B.O.B. telling Glenn and Daryl that it didn't matter who they were, the unspoken implication being that at least he wouldn't be alone. Now Bob is dead set on chasing Maggie until he catches up, even if that means leaving Sasha behind. His drive has developed into more than just looking for company on the road. They've both had a taste of family again, and that might frighten Sasha, but it emboldens Bob. Despite his feelings for her, he knows he can't let Sasha hold him back from hoping, lest he revert to the sad, stumbling shell he left behind when he first climbed into Glenn's truck all those months ago.
Lawrence Gilliard Jr. is a terrific actor, and his work this week elevated a fairly thin story line into something greater than the sum of its parts. Bob Stookey is no D'Angelo Barksdale, but I'm glad he's still around. Maybe he'll last long enough to see whatever is waiting at the end of the tracks.
- j
Dear Josh—

I thought “Alone” was superb, as recent weeks have been. Daryl and Beth's story continues from the week before, and now we have a strong, established bond between these two. Perhaps with some romantic inclinations, but I think what makes it far more interesting is that they simply care about each other. She's watched so many people in her family die and feels all alone in the world; Daryl felt alone in the world even before the apocalypse. As he lay in the coffin (which I was really hoping wasn't some sort of foreshadowing) and asked her to keep playing the piano, there was a strange look on his face: he cared about someone and felt like she really got him. Just as the episode title suggests, these two have felt "Alone" for so long they're now trying to find their way, step by step, back to the feeling of togetherness.

The fight scenes with the walkers were particularly intense in this episode, especially as Daryl led them to the basement away from Beth, trapping himself in a tiny room in the base of a funeral home with nothing to fight with except… oh wait, these steel gurneys and scalpels will work just fine. How much did I love that even with a dozen walkers chasing him, he still stopped to yank one of his precious arrows out of the chest of the dead zombie on the stairs. 

But when he finally gets out and past everyone, Beth is gone. He runs… and runs and runs, as if he's somehow going to catch that car. In this world, that might not actually be a crazy thought; there could be three drops of gasoline in that tank for all he knows. But he runs out of steam, right next to the train tracks, and just sits down. Like Bob Stookey was in the flashback at the beginning of the episode, he's all alone. Daryl’s lost his tribe, and where he used to be the guy who preferred it that way, now he longs to be with other people. Because he's next to the train tracks, will the next person to pass by him be… Carol? Maggie?

Unfortunately, the other people happen to be the crazy guys who were occupying the house Rick and Michonne were in. D'oh. So who took Beth? We last left Michonne/Carl/Rick running away from Jeff Kober's people, so maybe they got a car? But wouldn't they have stuck around for Daryl? Could it have been Glenn?

One thing I think we need to keep in mind is the timing is all wonky this season, which I like a lot. They established that in the second episode back, when we jumped from one story to the next, but the second story actually took place before the first chronologically. Which means, this Carol/Tyreese story could have taken place before the Daryl/Beth material. We saw the burning pit of zombies in “The Grove,” but I don’t remember seeing anything about that (if I’m missing something obvious, I know all y’all will correct me). Which means that story might still be coming. The question was, when Jeff Kober and his guys were in the house with Rick… was Daryl already with them? Is it possible that happened after the scene with Daryl joining them at the train tracks? We saw one guy take the bed, another guy knock him unconscious to get the bed, and a guy that Rick killed in the bathroom, and Kober’s character on the porch, eating. But there were other voices in the house… was Daryl one of them, or are they coming from the house when they meet up with Daryl?

Only two episodes left after this week’s devastatingly beautiful outing. One where we probably need to get Glenn back in the vicinity and perhaps get some clues about the whereabouts of Rick/Michonne/Carl (who we haven’t seen in three consecutive episodes now) and Beth/Daryl, and the last one, where presumably they’ll meet up again at Terminus. I know we’ve grumbled a lot in previous seasons about the show not having any shape, but if there’s one thing the second half of season four has shown us, it’s that the writers are bringing their A game now. I haven’t been this affected by an episode of television since the Red Wedding on Game of Thrones.

Rest in peace, Lizzie, Mika, and whatever little person once filled those tiny baby shoes.



Efthymia said...

That was so dark.
I mean, I am aware that this is a dark show, I don't think I'm watching Parks & Recreation, but this was just pitch black dark. And it gave me this conflicting feeling of "This show is amazing!" and "Why am I watching this?".
And I proved myself idioticly optimistic once again, thinking that all this talk about Mika not having a mean bone in her body and not being willing to kill any living thing would end up in Mika actually killing a living person, her sister (I'm sorry, but I found Lizzie's death inevitable), and while this wouldn't be a dreamy situation, at least Mika would still be alive.
I really didn't see Lizzie killing her sister like that. I can't remember the last time I saw something as shocking and horrible on TV, if ever.

I really like Tyrese. He's gone through a lot in this zombie apocalypse but is still a decent person. I understand and agree with his "forgive but not forget", and I disagree with the people saying that if Carol had told him before what happened with the girls he would have killed her.
As much as I like Carol and as much as I understand that some tough choices need to be made in this new world, I still think it was wrong of her to kill Karen and David. They were quarantined and contained, and had they died (or, more accurately, when they died) from the disease and become walkers, they would have easily been taken care of.

As far as the charred zombies are concerned, most people believe they came from the house Daryl and Beth set on fire.

On "Alone":
I've read a couple of articles calling this second half of the season "The Walking Dead's 'LOST' season", and maybe they've affected me but I see a strong similarity between Rose & Bernard and Maggie & Glenn: separated under circumstances where common sense would dictate that the other person's dead, yet each is convinced that the other one is alive and is moving towards reconnecting with them. (Did this sentence make sense?)
Although I've proffessed my love for Glenn multiple times on this blog, I'm pretty bugged that Maggie is only concerned about finding him and seems to spare no thought on her sister whatsoever. Lauren Cohan has tried to explain and excuse this, but I don't find her explanation satisfactory. Seriously, how can she only think about her fiancé and not her little sister, especially now that they've lost their father and they're each other's only family?

I really didn't want to see Daryl and Beth develop any sort of romantic relationship, and while I get this possibility a bit more after this episode, I'm still not shipping them. I'm not shipping Daryl & Carol either, by the way. And I'm most definitely NOT shipping Rick & Michonne. Let's just stay away from ships for now, please.

I hope we find out what happened to Beth soon, because my imagination is going to super-creepy and disturbing places.

yourblindspot said...

Efthymia: I meant to bring up the fire, but my more fragmented thoughts got a bit overshadowed by the bigger issues this time, and I completely forgot. And maybe I'm reading too much into things, but I'm convinced we'll see more about that fire - maybe next week - connected to some other part of the story, perhaps related to one of the other splinter groups. The reason I say so is that I happened to notice several of the charred walkers were wearing motorcycle jackets, all Brando-in-Wild-Ones style with the big folded lapels. I don't think they added that much detail as mere flavor/texture; I think there's more story there. Very interested to see what it is...

I hope it's Beth, annihilating her captors' roadhouse because they were dumb enough to underestimate her. Because I'm with you in the imagination-going-to-super-creepy-places camp. And I do not like it. At all.

Should have seen it coming after 'Still'...

Rebecca T. said...

I too was absolutely devastated by this episode.

After the suggestion of the sisters' similarity to a story line in the graphic novels (no apology necessary btw - This is why I love discussing and reading what other people have to say - because, as long as real spoilers are avoided, I love developing theories and connections I might not have seen) I was really afraid it would go this way, but I too hoped that it would be too much for tv. However, I thought it was handled masterfully.

I was both grateful I was alone while watching it and wishing there was another Walking Dead fan in my house so I didn't have to go through it alone. I think the only thing worse than watching the episode was having absolutely no one to hash things out with.

I definitely like the theory that the fire was from the house that Darryl and Beth burned down and I'm very curious to see how these time lines are matching up.
But this episode was everything it should have been and I'm eternally grateful that the writers took their time and didn't try to wedge another storyline or survivor's group into this episode. It took its time and brought us through the horrific events and decisions in the best way they could.

And I'm totally choking up again, so I'll leave it there.

Colleen/redeem147 said...

I've heard a lot of people ask why they didn't pick a place to meet. Where would they go?

When my son was little he had a stomach bug and threw up all over my comic book collection. THAT'S parental stress.

Anonymous said...

The only time I can remember watching a TV show and thinking "no...wait...that's too far."

-Tim Alan

Nikki Stafford said...

Great comments!! I did mention the fire in my half of the discussion, but only saying that I think it'll come up later. Of COURSE Daryl and Beth set the house on fire, I didn't even think of that!! Josh, I love your idea that they were wearing motorcycle jackets and could actually be Kober's goons; AMAZING. That would totally play into what I was saying about how this could be happening in the past or future, with some of the other events not even having happened yet.

Efthymia: really good point about Maggie not being concerned about Beth. That bugged me, too.

Rebecca: Agree 100%. I'm so glad they isolated this story from the others for this...

Colleen: LOL!

Batcabbage said...

I don't have kids (and never will), so I'm not coming from a place a lot of people are in relation to this episode. But I have to say that this may go down as THE BEST episode of The Walking Dead in the entire run of the series. They would have to do something pretty fucking amazing to beat 'The Grove'. Carol should win an Emmy. It was absolutely heartbreaking, and the best episode of television I've seen this year. Utterly amazing.

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