After last week's particularly emotional response to the final scene, this week some of the story lines felt like a bridge from one episode to the next, where others finally culminated in moments we've been waiting for all season. Without further ado, I shall let my esteemed co-writer, Christopher Lockett, begin!
Christopher: We begin at the Wall, with Jon Snow releasing Tormund, giving
command to Alliser Thorne in his absence, and departing for Hardhome in the
hopes of recruiting the wildlings to his cause. And with his departure,
attention shifts to Sam and Gilly: we feel very sharply how alone they are now
that Jon is gone, especially as we see Maester Aemon on his deathbed, growing
ever more delirious.
Storylines from the novels have been
discarded of late like things that one is eager to throw away, and with the
passing of Maester Aemon we lose yet another story thread that runs through A Feast For Crows. Our one glimpse of
Jon Snow in that novel comes right at the beginning, when Jon sends Sam away
with Gilly and Maester Aemon. He wants Sam to go to the Citadel in Oldtown, an
entire continent away, and study to earn his maester’s chain. He also wants
Aemon sent away for his health—both for the benefit of a warmer climate, but
also because he is concerned that Melisandre might look at the ancient
Targaryen and get some ideas about what she could do with the royal blood in
his veins. As it happens, Aemon dies before they can arrive at Oldtown, but in
his final delirium he has an epiphany: Melisandre, he says, has gotten it
wrong. She has proclaimed Stannis the prophesied hero who will do battle with
the forces of ice and darkness, but in reality the prophecy refers to Daenerys
(duh).
I suppose that Sam might still be sent to
the Citadel, but I have to imagine that is now a vanishing possibility. And
with the passing of Maester Aemon, the Wall loses its single greatest
storehouse of lore and wisdom. The scene is touching and poignant, especially
with Aemon revisiting his memories of youth, seeing in Gilly’s baby his own
little brother Aegon—or “Egg” as he was nicknamed. (I won’t go into the
vagaries of Targaryen history, but the story of Aegon V before he was king is
told in a series of novellas, The Hedge
Knight, The Sworn Sword, and The Mystery Knight, that detail the
adventures of Dunk and Egg, aka Aegon and his sworn sword Duncan the Tall). I
must say I was a little disappointed: in the final stages of his delirium, I
was expecting Aemon to gasp and have his epiphany about the prophecy … but no.
And again, Sam is more isolated, something
that Alliser Thorne is grimly happy to remind him of: “You’re losing all your
friends, Tarly.” The Wall has always been a hostile place to Sam, but up until
this moment he has had the friendship and protection of Jon and Aemon—the
absence of which is felt quite soon when two of his sworn brothers come upon
Gilly alone and, when Sam attempts to intervene, beat him bloody.
On the heels of last week’s episode, this
scene was particularly difficult to watch. What follows, however, was quite
well done, in part because Sam wasn’t
the heroic saviour. Ghost plays the unlikely deus ex machine (unlikely, because why the hells isn’t he with Jon
Snow?), which makes the resolution unfortunately hackneyed, but that’s small
beer (it would have been better, or at least more likely, for Sam and Gilly to
have been saved by someone like Alliser Thorne coming on the scene). Sam and
Gilly needed an exit, and Ghost was as useful a saviour as any. The point is
that Sam was, for all intents and purposes, as unable to prevent what was
happening as Gilly. But he doesn’t stay down. “I killed a White Walker,” he
tells their assailants. “I killed a Thenn. I’ll take my chances with you.”
Without Ghost’s intervention, it would almost certainly have played out as
predicted: with Sam dead, and Gilly raped (and probably dead). And Sam knows
that.
Later, as she tends to Sam’s wounds, Gilly
upbraids him for it. “The next time you see something like that, you leave it
alone,” she says. It is an interesting moment, a reminder of where Gilly comes
from. She has lived a life of abuse and violence at the hands of her
husband-father Craster, a life in which sexual violence was simply a basic fact
of life. To her, Sam’s doomed efforts to protect her are foolishness, because
getting himself killed means he won’t be around to protect her child. “Just
promise me, whatever happens you’ll be there to take care of Little Sam,” she
chides him. “But of course I will,” he replies. “And … I’ll take care of you
too.”
What’s so touching and poignant about the
blossoming love between these two—aside from the fact that there aren’t many
other couples on this show at the moment genuinely in love—is the way each of
them takes the other out of their assumptions about themselves and the world.
Sam, in spite of his accidental heroism with the White Walker and the Thenn, is
a coward—not someone who would otherwise choose
to enter a fight. But he takes strength from Gilly, even though he knows he
isn’t up to the task. And Gilly is stunned that he would choose to do so, that
there are men in the world who aren’t brutal, violent, and selfish. Their sex
is about the only genuine lovemaking we’ve seen since … what? I’m at a loss.
But of course, this is Game of Thrones, which
means that these scenes are intercut with those of Sansa, Theon, and Ramsay.
What did you think of the Winterfell segments, Nikki?
Nikki: It’s so funny you should ask when the last time we saw genuine
lovemaking on this show, because I wondered the exact same thing. Jon and
Ygritte, maybe? Yikes, that seems like so long ago. Tyrion was kind to Sansa
but she wanted nothing to do with him, so there’s nothing there. Margaery is
using Tommen, so while it was an amazing
time for him, it wasn’t so much for her. And we don’t need to mention Sansa and
Ramsay. The last time we saw Jaime and Cersei together it was a rape... oh
wait, I have one: Daario and Daenerys. Although even that at times feels a
little political.
But I digress. I must also admit that when
Ghost suddenly appeared, my husband and I cheered (as we always do when one of those
magnificent beasts appears) but right after I said, “Wait... why wasn’t Ghost
with Jon?!” Glad I wasn’t the only one who wondered that.
The Winterfell segments were heartbreaking,
especially in the midst of the bit of tiny glimmer of hope we had left after
the scene last week. Sansa’s arms are now covered in bruises, and she spends
her days curled up in a fetal position, locked in the room, waiting for Ramsay
to come back and ravage her once again. There’s a very brief moment when she’s
later speaking to Ramsay — and has the audacity to bring up the fact that he’s
a bastard, and he’d been given his name by the authority of Tommen Baratheon, also a bastard — where I saw a flash of
the Sansa that will not be kept down. And where I thought, in the right
circumstance, could she bend him to her will the way Daenerys did Khal Drogo?
After all, their wedding night consisted of her being married to a man against
her will, and then being bent over and him having rough sex with her, yet we
never referred to that as rape. She eventually takes over and brings him to her
side, and makes him utterly devoted to her.
Then again, Khal Drogo might have been a merciless warrior, but he wasn’t a psychopath like Ramsay. I don’t think anyone will be able to bend that little bastard to their will, and Sansa seems to know that and doesn’t even try.
But earlier, when she cornered Theon and
grabbed him by the arms, he looks terrified, and she says to him — clearly
having no clue what he’s been through — that it couldn’t possibly be worse than
this. Even though his eyes are wild and he looks like a raving lunatic half the
time, there’s a spark of sanity still left there, and when he looks back at her
and tells her to trust him, it really could be so, so much worse, she’s actually taken aback. I’m not sure she buys it
(if she actually knew HOW much worse maybe she would) but she certainly takes
pause. She recruits him to put the candle in the window of the Broken Tower,
and while Theon is scared for his own life, he decides to go with it.
What happens next was probably what we all
expected — Theon rushes across the grounds of Winterfell, looking like he has a
purpose for the first time in years, and climbs the countless stairs to get to
the top... where Ramsay is sitting in front of a feast, waiting to surprise
him. Later Ramsay shows Sansa the bloodied, tortured corpse of the old woman
who had promised to help Sansa, and tells her that Theon was the one who
snitched. Had he already found the woman by the time Theon got up to the tower?
Or did he just randomly choose that place to have his feast (how in hell did
they get all that food, and a table and chair, up there, by the way?!) and when
Theon got there, he immediately reverted back to Reek and fell upon the mercy
of his master, telling him everything?
And if Brienne is standing in a nearby inn,
watching that window for the glimmer of a candle, why didn’t she see the
candlelight from Ramsay’s candles, which were all over the table, and take that
as a sign?
While, as I said last week, I’m glad
Brienne didn’t swoop in to save the scene because it would have been
disingenuous, I must say I’m a little disappointed that she’s yet to make a
move. Sansa has arrived at Winterfell, met the Boltons, Baelish has left, she’s
been betrothed, has dined with them, walked around Winterfell some more,
reunited herself with Theon and some old servants, got married, got raped, and
then has been repeated beaten and raped every night... how long has Brienne
been standing at that window, exactly? And what the hell sign is she WAITING
for? I’m a little frustrated by the inaction. I know the Brienne bit — and the
Sansa bit, for that matter — are not from the books, but I’m worried they’ve
added them in and now don’t know what to do with them.
The other thing they don’t seem to know
what to do with would be the Sand Snakes. As I was saying on Facebook on
Monday, in last week’s recap I said I enjoyed the fight scene with the Sand
Snakes. To be honest, the fight scene was exciting for the 40 seconds it
actually lasted, but then it all fizzled out like a dying firecracker and
didn’t amount to anything. I was undaunted, however, assuming that the Snakes
had something more up their sleeves. Instead, they’re stuck in a dungeon
listening to Bronn sing bawdy songs about Dornishmen while Tyene is flashing
her breasts at him. I don’t know what to make of this trio anymore, but I’m
really hoping this isn’t it. Tell me there’s a lot more awesomeness to come
with the Sand Snakes, Chris, please?
Christopher:
Wait—did
Theon go up to the broken tower? My sense was that they made it seem as though
he might be, but instead simply went
straight to Ramsay’s rooms. Certainly, the room in which Ramsay is eating looks
far more well-appointed than the room in which we first saw Jaime and Cersei
having sex. That would make a difference: if he went to the tower with all best
intentions of lighting the candle, that means there’s more of a vestige of
Theon there than we had hoped … only to have it squashed by Ramsay being clever.
My read, however, was that the camera did a bait-and-switch—having Theon look
at the tower, seeing Theon from the window through which Jaime pushed Bran, but
in the end he went right to his master. In which case he’s farther gone (or
just as far gone) as we suspected.
I like that they leave that ambiguous. I’d
be interested to hear what our readers think on this.
But to get to the Sand Snakes: I honestly
don’t know how much we’ll be seeing of the Sand Snakes, or whether what we see
will include awesomeness. Both the Sand Snakes and the High Sparrow initially
seemed determined to prove my complaints in my supplemental
comments wrong, in both cases giving us a more nuanced sense of these
characters. But to me, at least as far as the Sand Snakes are concerned (the
High Sparrow is another story), it’s a case of closing the barn door. One of
the complaints I’ve been reading a lot in various reactions to this episode is
the superfluousness of the scene between the Snakes and Bronn: what does it add
to the story? How does it move the plot forward? Why are we wasting time on
this interlude when there’s so much else to attend to? Was this any more than
just an excuse for Tyene to show us her breasts?
I don’t think the scene was superfluous so
much as mistimed. What we did get out of the scene was a better sense of who
these women are, and how they interact with each other—for me the highlight was
Nymeria rolling her eyes the moment she realized what Tyene was doing, a
nanosecond of face acting that spoke volumes about the personalities involved.
This scene would have been brilliant if it—or something approximating it—had
come as a function of the Snakes suborning some man or men to their plot.
Instead, it is wasted as a bit of after-the-fact sexposition that offers no
exposition. I suppose if, going forward, the Snakes have a more substantive
role to play (as you and I dearly hope, Nikki), then this moment contributes to
our understanding of them; failing that, I am so far underwhelmed by the
writers’ treatment of a trio of women who could have been, and indeed deserve
to be, awesome.
On the other hand, the other Dornish scene
was quite well done. Poor Bronn … the lowly underling gets to spend his sojourn
in a dank cell, while the nobleman has the gentleman prisoner’s arrangement of
a comfortable and well-lit room. That being said, I think Jaime has the harder
time of it—even taking into account the fact that Bronn nearly dies of poison. “I’ve
come to take you home,” Jaime tells Myrcella. “This is my home,” she snaps. “This has been my home for years! I
didn’t want to come here, but I did as she said. I did my duty, and now she’s
forcing me to go back?” She then proceeds to tell him she’s in love with
Trystane, and that they will be
married. “I don’t understand,” says Jaime. “Of course you don’t!” is the retort, and then the body blow: “You
don’t know me.”
Or in other words, you know nothing, Jaime
Lannister. He loses so much in that moment, as he (presumably) realizes what a
fool’s errand this was, and how wrong he was when he repeatedly said to Bronn
“It has to be me.” As it turns out, he’s more or less irrelevant to the young
woman he’s obliged to call his niece.
More and more, Jaime is becoming one of
this show’s tragic characters, even as he becomes more sympathetic. Two things
have defined him in the past: his skill with a sword and his love for his
sister. Those were all that mattered to him. The loss of his sword hand has
made him at best an encumbrance to men like Bronn, and as their family fortunes
sink, Cersei is becoming more and more distant, grieving for her dead son and spiraling
down into a series of plots to keep her living son close to her. Jaime embarks
on this quest to regain what they once had, but finds that an increasingly
impossible task.
Meanwhile, back in King’s Landing, Cersei
thinks she has won. But we’ll come to that in a moment. In the meantime, I’m
interested to know what you thought of the meeting between The Queen of Thorns
and the High Sparrow, Nikki. Did you feel the same thrill as me at watching two
brilliant actors showing the young ‘uns how it’s done?
Nikki: First, I can’t believe I fell for a bait and switch! You must be
right, because I remember the Broken Tower as being, well, broken, and Ramsay is in this bright room with candles, and then
the camera cuts to Brienne watching a dark, unlit tower, and I couldn’t put the
two together. Oh Theon... maybe you’re gone after all. That would explain why
he simply hangs his head in shame before Sansa rather than shaking his head.
But on to the Queen of Thorns and the High
Sparrow. What a brilliant scene that was, and for exactly the reason you say
above. Here we have two magnificent British theatre veterans, going toe to toe
on the screen and just showing what remarkable talents they both are. Lady
Olenna has crushed everyone who has tried to verbally parry with her,
especially Cersei. Tywin seemed to have an upper hand in parts of their conversations,
but she would always dominate by the end... and in the very end, she killed his
grandson. Now she spars with the High Sparrow, who remains calm before her
insults, then pulls them to similar ground as they compare elderly aches and
pains, before holding up a mirror to exactly who she is. She’s there to argue
for her grandchildren, and he simply waves her off, telling her they’re
degenerates and they will be punished. She similarly waves him off, offering
him gold, and he waves her off,
saying he serves the gods, and can’t be bought. He proceeds to quote from the
Seven-Pointed Star, and she waves him off again (the constant dismissal each
has to the other kept this conversation sparkling from beginning to end) and
says of course she’s read that book, and that’s when he turns everything on
her, asking, if the Tyrells are known for their agriculture, how many fields
has she tilled? How much back-breaking work has she actually done? When you
think about the various Houses, the Targaryens fight in battles, as did the
Baratheons, and the Lannisters, the Martells... the Tyrells, on the other hand,
are the ones who provide food to the other kingdoms, and where the heads of the
other Houses have actually earned their spots, Lady Olenna just sits around
doing nothing and throwing coins at any situation that gets in her way. But if
that’s all she can do, and she’s suddenly faced with a situation where coins
aren’t accepted... what will she do? “You are the few,” he tells her, lumping
her in with all the other wealthy rarities who have no idea how the majority of
people actually live, “and we are the many, and when the many stop fearing the
few...” And he just lets that thought trail off as he picks up his bucket and
goes off to scrub another floor.
It’s a glorious scene.
Later we see Olenna with Baelish, another
man famous for his words, and he’s back seeing his brothel for the first time,
its former glory now a ravaged hall of shredded sheets and broken glass.
Baelish tries to also jockey for verbal dominance in this scene, but Olenna’s
not about to be beaten twice in one day. She tells him that their fates are
joined. “Together we killed a king,” she declares, and implies that should
anything happen to her or the people of the House Tyrell, he’ll get dragged down
with them. Where it looked like there was no way out for Margaery and Loras,
Littlefinger might be it.
And that brings us to Cersei herself. A few
weeks ago we were discussing how she keeps putting things in place that
backfire, and boy do they backfire in this episode. What did you think of the
handling of her story?
Christopher:
Well, this is one of those moments that line up
more or less nicely with the novel. In A
Feast for Crows, Cersei’s attempt to defame Margaery fails when the
sparrows actually interrogate her false witnesses rather than accepting their
sworn testimony. And by “interrogate,” I mean torture and beat bloody, until
they give Cersei up. So they’ve changed things around here, but the result is
the same: Cersei, blithely arrogant until the end, finds herself thrown in a
filthy cell. And we might have felt a wee bit of sympathy had she not just been
visiting Margaery in a similar cell, all the while wearing an insufferably smug
expression.
Her conversation with the High Sparrow was
also a work of art, at least as far as Jonathan Pryce’s monologue went. In this
scene Cersei plays unwitting foil to his lengthy disquisition on the history of
the chapel and the simple beauty of its spartan interior. She is oblivious to
the significance of his words, impatient for him to finish. Lady Olenna, by
contrast, however much she dismissed everything the High Sparrow had to say,
was at least shrewd enough to realize this was not an ordinary man she could
manipulate.
I find it rather amusing that my complaints
in my supplemental comments about the development of the Sand Snakes and the
sparrows were both met in this episode with scenes that I would have loved to
have seen earlier. As with the
Snakes, the High Sparrow’s scenes lend a greater understanding of who he is,
and what the motivations of his movement are. In this case, however, the
after-the fact exposition works somewhat better. His final words to Olenna—“you
are the few; we are the many”—remind us that, however religiously inspired, the
sparrows are a populist movement. But unlike the Occupy movement, however, they
have divine law on their side, which makes them the final arbiter in moral
matters. Which wouldn’t matter nearly as much if they WEREN’T ARMED.
I bet Cersei’s really wishing for a
separation of church and state right now.
The High Sparrow’s speech about the
simplicity of the chapel cites above all else the philosophy of the Protestant
Reformation. His sentiments would be familiar to anyone who has ever been in a
church of one of the more austere Presbyterian sects:
“The people who built this place didn’t
inflict their vanity on those that came after them, the way Baelor did with
that great gilded monstrosity up there. Their faith was clean. Strip away the
gold, and the ornaments, knock down the statues and the pillars, and this is
what remains. Something simple. Solid. And true.”
I’d like to say this is one of those lovely
moments of creative anachronism that fantasy often engages in—and it is—but it
could also be read as an alternative history of the Roman church in which the
Franciscan Order somehow became ascendant and pulled down the gilded edifices
of the papacy. One way or another, however, this final scene is one of the most
beautiful bits of schadenfreude we
have yet seen on this show. As creeped out as I am by the High Sparrow’s
absolutism and the fanaticism of his followers, it is still so deeply
satisfying to see Cersei hoisted on her own petard.
Which brings us to our final bit of
business, namely the new careers of Tyrion and Jorah, which apparently is to be
extras on the set of Gladiator.
Seriously. Was anyone else quoting from that film as Yezzan gave his new slaves
their pep talk? “Thrust this into another man’s flesh, and they will applaud
and love you for that!” I said as Yezzan declared that “This is the day your
lives actually start to mean something!”
But I suppose that when gladiatorial combat
is the spectacle of the day, such comparisons are inevitable. What did you
think of the Jorah/Tyrion storyline in this episode, Nikki?
Nikki: The scene of Tyrion striding out onto the battlefield to meet
Daenerys is the one I’ve been hoping for all season, and it didn’t disappoint.
One thing we can’t forget is that Daenerys stands apart in this series as the
one character who never encounters any of the others. The major characters were
mostly split up — Stannis and Melisandre; Jon Snow at the Wall; Cersei and
Tyrion in King’s Landing; Daenerys in Meereen; Jaime and Brienne wherever; Arya
in Braavos; Sansa in various places: Baelish wherever the action is. But with
the exception of Daenerys, they’ve all crossed paths. Back in the first
episode, the Lannisters and Baratheons descended on Winterfell, bringing all of
those characters together, and then the entire gang went to King’s Landing for
a spell. Stannis and Melisandre came to King’s Landing in the Battle of
Blackwater, and then ended up at the Wall. But Daenerys stands apart from
everyone... until now.
While I agree with you that watching Cersei
finally gets hers was infinitely satisfying, as an editor I would have put the
Tyrion scene at the very end of the episode to finish it off spectacularly. The
battle scene itself was fantastic, and everything the Sand Snakes battle
wasn’t. It was gory, and watching Daenerys turn her head in horror was
interesting — on the one hand, this is the very thing she didn’t want. On
the other hand, many thousands of people have been slaughtered at the hands of
her own army, and she never flinched once. But that, as far as she was concerned,
was for the betterment of people who desperately needed her help, whereas here
it’s for sport. The whole time I kept thinking, “Oh my god she’s going to get
up and leave, and we’ll have to wait until NEXT season for Jorah and Tyrion to
cross paths with her.” Thank the gods that didn’t happen.
The auction scene with Tyrion and Jorah was
interesting, because we saw Tyrion’s exaggeration of Jorah’s prowess when he
was trying to avoid having his penis lopped off, and now the slave trader
exaggerates his powers even more. And yet, the moment Jorah enters the ring,
it’s like every single word both men said was 100% true. Jorah mows down every
warrior in the ring as if they were toddlers holding Nerf swords. She looks
impressed — this isn’t a man who seems to revel in the pain of others, but who
quickly and cleanly deals with everyone in his path as he moves towards her.
She looks at him with awe and respect... until he removes his mask. And the
disgust that washes over her face in that moment is devastating. Remember, in
season 4 she banished him because she found out that he had been hired by
Robert Baratheon to spy on Daenerys and report back to Varys, telling Baratheon
everything he needs to know about the surviving member of the Targaryens. He
had told Baratheon about Daenerys’s pregnancy by Khal Drogo, leading her to
almost be poisoned. Of course, if it weren’t for Jorah knocking away the cup
and warning her of it, she would have died, but she argued that if he hadn’t
spied on her, she wouldn’t have been in danger at all. She could no longer
trust the one person she trusted above everyone else.
And so now, many months later, he’s back,
calling her Khaleesi, a memory of the worst betrayal she’d ever endured, and
she wants him out of her sight. But just as Tyrion had talked himself quickly
out of the situation with the slavers last week, Jorah tells Daenerys that he’s
brought her a gift... and out walks Tyrion. For me this was the single best
moment of the series so far. The look on her face was priceless — “A
dwarf? Are you kidding me?” — but it only got better. Because no sooner does
Tyrion stride out on the battlefield than he says, “I am the gift. My name is
Tyrion Lannister.” And hearing those five words, she is utterly, deeply
confused.
After all, the Lannisters are her sworn
enemies. They were in bed — literally — with the Baratheons. Tyrion’s brother
killed her father. Robert Baratheon led the charge to slaughter her entire
family. Her brother Rhaegar and his son Aegon were brutally murdered by The
Mountain, who works for the Lannisters. Why the hell would he be a gift?!
I cannot WAIT for the scene that follows
this one. I’m confident Tyrion will be able to convince
her — he’s the man with the golden tongue, after all — and putting these two together
will strengthen her claim, and infuriate everyone at King’s Landing, more than
I could have possibly dreamed. (This is my fantasy way of how this plays out,
so if instead she simply feeds him to the dragons, don’t tell me!) ;)
Bits and Bobs:
-I just realized that we completely forgot
to mention Stannis and Melisandre’s discussion in this episode, so for the
record I’ll say that I hope that scene we saw a couple of weeks ago, where we
see just how much Shireen means to Stannis, will be the one thing that will
strengthen him against the Red Woman. Could this be the one request that just
goes too far for him?
-Also, despite all the terrible things
Cersei has done, I felt she was being 100% sincere in the scene where she told
Tommen she would do anything for him. Despite her hatred for Tyrion, her
despicable treatment of Margaery, and her general booziness, this is a mother
who loves her children more than anything.
And on that note, we shall see you all
again next week! Thanks for reading.
9 comments:
Wonderful analysis and discussion, as always. I always read every word of these posts, even if I’ve hardly ever spoken up in the comments. There’s a very good reason for that: even though I’ve read all five of GRRM’s books – once – there is much that I’ve forgotten until I read the whole saga again (and again). Because we are dedicated to not spoiling non-readers here, I don’t want to risk accidentally saying the wrong thing, thereby spilling delicious beans to come.
I do have a comment about the PICTURES that you always include with these posts. Very often in the past, the pictures here have shown up super dark, sometimes indistinguishable. I figured that was an unfortunate side-effect of Blogger, and there was simply nothing you could do about it. But something is different this week. The pictures are clear and bright and almost sparkling! What did you do differently? Whatever it is, may it continue. The pictures are a wonderful addition to your posts, as you know.
I think the point of the Sand Snake poison scene is to demonstrate the poison that is in The Mountain's veins after his fight with Oberyon. It's taking longer to kill him because of his size, perhaps. That was the sense I got watching the scene - laying some groundwork for the reveal for Clegane's eventual death scene.
I just thought of something. This week's theme was clearly captivity. Off the top of my head, there was Bronn, Jaime, Tyene, Nymeria, Obara, Jorah, Tyrion, Margaery, and finally Cersei. Did I miss anyone? Ellaria Sand and Loras Tyrell are also imprisoned, but we didn't see them this week.
Great recap as always - going around online it seems that everyone wants to know why Gilly's baby is still a baby. She had it in Season 2 and since then clearly Tommen & Myrcella have gone from children to at least young adults, the dragons have certainly aged and of course Arya & Sansa are older as well. How much time has passed since Blackwater? But that baby is still a baby - are the wildlings magic? Was Craster an alien? I suppose the real answer is...TV! I wish I had thought of this myself but oh well it's funny.
Master Aemon died of old age? I don't think that happens very often in Westeros.
So happy Bronn didn't die - I wouldn't mind if he decided to stay in Dorne and lived out the rest of his life there if he has to be written off.
Of course the last scene with Tyrion & Dany was electric. Can't wait for them to have an actual conversation. I wouldn't mind if it took up the entire next episode.
-Tim Alan
Not one to usually go out of my way to defend overt, female nudity/sexposition scenes, but, I've seen it pointed out the biology of Tyene's seduction. Namely, you get a man excited and a man's heart and blood pump faster to accelerate the effects of the poison. My most optimistic read of the scene is that it highlights The Sand Snakes cunning natures. They have the foresight and knowledge to arm their chosen weapons with poison, know how it works, and be smart enough to carry the antidote (cut yourself- oops!)
Or.... Nipples.
Tim- spot on with the baby...
And as always Nikki and Chris, thank you for your effort in giving us an engaging and smart discussion!
Marebabe: How interesting, I actually didn't do anything differently!! Maybe I just chose brighter pictures! :) I'll keep that in mind and try to find sunnier ones in the future. :)
Tim: That's hilarious about Baby Sam, I never actually thought of that!! He was actually born in Season 3, I believe, but you're right; in that time the others have aged two or three years, and the kid should be a toddler by now. ;)
Jessica: I actually agree with you whole-heartedly. I don't know why, if a woman knows how to use her body to get her way, it's somehow considered gratuitous and unfeminist in some way. Like Chris said, it definitely showed her character, especially her sister rolling her eyes in the background like this is Tyene's thing. Although the camera was a little leering at times. I swear I half-expected the camera to pan down slowly and then zoom in suddenly, with the breasts being entirely out of focus and then focused, as if the camera guy just noticed there were BOOBS in his shot. ;)
I read and rarely comment for fear of sounding pretty silly. I am a huge fan of the blog. Just my silly thought: Reek and Gollum are similar tortured creatures. Gandalf's quote is stuck in my head,
"Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo's hand. Many that live deserve death. And some that died deserve life. Can you give it to them Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends.My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play yet, for good or ill, before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many."
I hope Reek plays the part of good. Not to mention, Ramsay is so quick to rule the fate of many.
-Elle
Elle: What an excellent observation! And it comes right after I just read a brief article talking about GRRM's obsession with Tolkien and LOTR and how both factor into the GoT mythology. I feel like Theon will find redemption for what he's done in the past, and I'm really looking forward to it. :)
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