Tuesday, March 02, 2010

Lost 6.06 "Sundown"



First, thanks to humanebean for sending me the above picture that he screen-capped from last week... I always knew I was a candidate! And my name hasn't been crossed out yet!! Is this a good or a bad thing? Does this give me access to more than one universe?

Welcome to the earliest Lost post ever, thanks to CTV running Lost at 7pm tonight (woohoo!). I've post-dated this to go live at 10:05 so it doesn't go up too soon and everyone will have seen it on the East Coast already.

“You said that there was still good in your soul. Then prove it.”
I was totally expecting this week’s episode to be about Sun, with that title (and it would have been consistent with the sixth episode of season 1). And I also have that Gordon Lightfoot song in my head now…

Poor Sayid. No matter which reality he’s in, he’ll always be the remorseful man trying to be different, but somehow always getting sucked right back into the violence. Most of his story throughout the series has been him trying to escape his past as a torturer and embrace the lover side of himself, but instead he’s always drawn back in, whether it’s to torture Sawyer or to become Ben’s hitman. Now, just as he’s denying himself the one thing that would make him happy, he becomes his brother’s avenger… and by the way, taking care of his brother ALSO seems to be something he’ll be stuck doing in every reality.

I loved this episode. Loved loved loved it. And where the other sideways reality worlds all seemed to have a pat happy ending, this one is the first to end in a cliffhanger and tie Sayid's story to Jin's. While I had some trouble actually listing any answers that were given, I do feel like we actually DID have things illuminated for us. Sayid's completely gone over to the Dark Side, we know Jacob brought Dogen to the island and seems to have imprisoned him there, Dogen and Lennon are gone, the Temple's been destroyed, and Unlocke has an army of followers. Ilana and her group have caught up to everyone, and now the action will REALLY begin.

Highlights:
Uncle Sayid?! Whoa.
• Was it just me or was Sayid particularly hot in this episode?
• The Sayid/Dogen ninja fight. That was AWESOME.
• Miles saying Jungle Hair Claire™ (thanks for that one, humanebean!) was acting all weird, but “still hot, though.” HAHAHAHA!!
• Sayid not even hesitating before driving the knife into Unlocke’s chest. You know, the fact that Smokey looks exactly like John Locke probably helped Sayid’s resolve, since he detested John.
• KEAMY!! ACK!
• Sideways world Jin!!
• I’m happy that Ilana’s team is finally joined back with Miles.
• Sayid, Kate, and Jungle Hair Claire™ walking through the bodies with that creepy “Catch a Falling Star” song playing in the background is one of the most amazing, bone-chilling uses of music EVER on this show. Was it Emilie de Ravin singing or was it another artist?

Answers:
• Sayid to Dogen: “I want some answers.” Dogen to Sayid: “Dude, get in LINE.”
• If Dogen is to be believed, the Man in Black is free because Jacob died, and he is evil incarnate.
• Dogen was brought to the island by Jacob, who was preying on his vulnerability and mourning. He wants to be there as much as Juliet wanted to be there.
• Yes, I know I’m reaching for answers here. Sigh.

Did You Notice?:
• The cab driver’s voice sounded familiar, but they never showed him. Maybe he just has one of those voices.
• So is this the brother who, in the other reality, refused to kill the (ultimately) deflated ghost chicken?
• Dogen talks about the scale of good and evil (which makes us think of Unlocke when he went to the cave and found the scale with the white stone and black stone) and it reminded me of Anubis once again, with his scales of judgment as he leads people to the land of the dead, weighing their hearts to see if they were good or evil.
• Sayid tells Dogen that he thinks he knows him but he doesn’t, and there’s a look on Dogen’s face as if he’s thinking, “No, I actually DO know you better than you think… but you don’t know yourself.”
• Miles is convinced that Sayid was dead… back in “LA X” we commented that Miles was staring at his body funny, and that maybe he was never dead, but now I’m thinking Miles was staring at it funny just as it was coming back to life, as if he could sense it was no longer a dead body.
• Poor Sayid, “You want me to go, you want me to stay, you want me to go… sheesh, Dogen, you change your mind more times than Kate.”
• With Dogen handing Sayid the knife, Sayid becomes the hero on a quest to kill the baddie.
• Sayid’s going to Toronto?! Well, right THERE is proof that he’s evil incarnate!! (And that would explain redeem147 emailing me partway through the episode saying, “I hope I’m living in Sayid’s sideways world!” LOL!)
• I love how Jack just wanders past Sayid, and at first I thought there was no recognition, but he does look at him with a little more than a passing glance.
• Dogen told Sayid not to let Smokey talk at all, and later Sayid says he didn’t, but Unlocke actually says, “Hello Sayid” before Sayid plunges the knife into him, so technically it’s too late.
• Unlocke asking Sayid, “What if I told you that you could have anything you want?” sounds a LOT like Ben asking Locke what he would do if Ben would tell him there’s a box on the island that could contain anything Locke ever wanted inside. Is that a suggestion that Unlocke is just manipulating him? He reminded me of the snake in the Garden of Eden.
• Do you notice how Lennon and Dogen refer to everyone by their last names? They referred to Shephard, Reyes, Ford, and Kwon… the same way they’re logged on the cave ceiling and in the lighthouse. Ilana does the same thing when she shows up, and only refers to everyone (including "Linus") by their surnames.
• Jungle Hair Claire™ is singing “Catch a Falling Star,” the song that her father sang to her, and the one Kate would sing to Aaron.
• Lennon gives Kate two minutes… that’s one less than the Others gave Walt and Michael.
• When Kate says, “I raised him,” it makes us think of “Raised by Another,” where Jungle Hair Claire™ had been told no one else can raise him. Is that what runs through her mind as she glares at Kate?
• When the van pulls up to Nadia’s house, the goon who steps out is Omar, one of Keamy’s men from the island. He’s one of the ones killed in the big ambush by the helicopter at the end of S4.
• Did anyone else think Keamy’s men were walking Sayid into Satriale’s?!
• Poor Keamy… in the original timeline, he was a Navy Seal and a killing machine mercenary. In this one, he’s just a small-time gangster modeling himself after other gangster movies and wearing a flashy pimp suit.
• Keamy frying the egg reminded me of Locke frying the egg for Ben’s breakfast.
• Sayid always shoots people in the chest (didn’t work so well on little Ben Linus). It’s like he wants to shoot them in the place where he feels the most pain.
• In the sideways world Dogen’s son is close to him and is a pianist, and Dogen is very involved in his life. In this one Dogen is mourning him and blaming himself for his son’s death.
• I don’t want to be rude here, but when Smokey first comes into the camp, shooting straight out and then retreating with the guy, it looked particularly… phallic.
• Notice Ben says, “There’s still time.” And Sayid says, “Not for me.” The use of the word “time” here is significant.
• Unlocke standing there with his “followers” was reminiscent of the beginning of season 4, when Locke and Jack split forces and the people formed two camps. Interestingly, Claire was with Locke back then, too, but Kate and Sayid were with Jack.

The Numbers:
Dogen’s son was 12 when he died (8 + 4).

So Many Questions...
• Dogen stops short of killing Sayid when he sees the baseball hit the ground. We find out that he’s on the island because of his son, who was a baseball player. Is that why he stops? Or has he been told by Jacob that if he kills anyone on the island, his son dies? What sort of chains is he in on the island? (In my original notes, I jotted, “If the baseball falls, will the Red Sox never have won the Series?”)
• Where’s Jin? I’m a little annoyed that two episodes ago Sawyer and the Man in Black were joined at the hip and then Sawyer just disappeared, and now Jin is just gone. Where is he?
• Why does Dogen immediately want Shephard and Reyes in his room?
• Why did Keamy’s men capture Jin? Where is Sun? Did she somehow ditch Jin at the airport?
• A couple of weeks ago we all talked about how it’s possible Jacob has taken over Sayid’s body. After Dogen’s anti-Jacob story, could that be why Sayid goes apeshit on him?
• If Dogen drowned in the water the same way Sayid was, does that mean he could come back to life, too?
• Where did Ilana and Co. come from?
• When the smoke thundered past Kate’s head, did you see anything in it? She was staring at it with her mouth agape, and I slowed it right down and watched it frame by frame, but I haven’t watched the HD feed yet so I didn’t see anything in it. I swear something looked like a Dementor at the very end of Smokey’s tail as they went past.
• When Sayid says, “Not for me,” Ben stares at him as if he sees something else in his eyes.
• What is the significance of Dogen's dagger? He pulled it out of the ceremonial box like it was a very important knife. How has it been used in the past?
• Ilana pushes on that same omega symbol on the wall that Hurley was staring at last week… clearly it’s associated with Jacob in some way, but why? Where did they go?
• Unlocke gives a strange glare to Kate, and doesn't look at all happy that she's there... is it because you couldn't see her on the cave ceiling (which, despite what he said appears to be Smokey's domain) but she was still an uncrossed-out candidate (#51) in the lighthouse? What about her doesn't he trust?
• What’s Ben going to do? He’s not with Kate and everyone, and he’s not with Ilana and her group anymore because their door closed behind them with him out.

Reminder: Tomorrow listen in to Marshall and Forbes on The Ocean 98.5 in Victoria, BC at 6 a.m. local time, 9 a.m. EST. Go here and click on the Listen Now button if you’re out of the listening area.
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Joan Crawford said...

JS -for being so powerful, you'd think he'd have some other way to carry things around.

Well, he did have a fanny pack but found it was hard to assert his authority while wearing it.

"C'mon, guys! Enough! What, is it because it's got a Busch Gardens decal on it? Does it make my ass look fat? Yeah? Well, screw you!"

*Explodes into a pillar of smoke*

TM Lawrence said...

Amidst the apocalypse, distracted by the falling stars, chaos abounds and we are as lost as ever. Keamy's creepy eggs should drive us back to EggTown where in VALIS and Morel there is likely more light to illuminate our dark then we then knew...

JS said...

@Joan Crawford - bwahahahahah!

Sagacious Penguin said...

@ Susan - Illana and Co. totally felt like action heroes in that moment. Though it was admittedly a bit out of nowhere. I think just one brief scene of them trekking early in the episode would have helped smooth the transition of their group without spoiling the surprise.

@ JS - It's clearly Vincent in that backpack. Hopefully he keeps him well fed.

paleoblues said...

A couple belated thoughts:

Dogen and Sayid have a knock down, drag out, near fight to the death and the next scene they are calm and civil to each other.

Dogen represented good by raising a bare right hand (of God) and evil with a black-gloved left hand. The devil is usually depicted as being left-handed, left -handed compliment, etc. There was also a 2006 horror film that switched them called “God’s Left Hand, Devil’s Right Hand”, and it just happens to be Japanese. And since Dogen says Sayid tipped the wrong way (according to whom) it just helps add to the ambiguity.

Is NotLocke wearing Locke’s real shirt? Why is there a hole in it?

Where are those that are leaving the temple going?

Zack was still carrying his teddy bear.

Ben will use all of his beady-eyed rat skills to find his way out of the maze.

Every time there is a flash I’m expecting to see an airplane landing.

Verf: rehele .... provide another chance to die

paleoblues said...

@Blam: Enjoyed the lyrics to "Eyes of a Primate".

Verf: minili ... Vini Minili

Fred said...

When Dogen gives his last accounting of his life, of how his drinking (oh, again with the drinking) cost him his son's life, and how he made a deal with Jacob, it seems Dogen knew he would die. Already he had tested Sayid and saw he was infected, and he attacked him but let him go (if Sayid is someone who won't let a grudge go, that's one of them), and he plotted to get Sayid killed by Smokie. Clearly Dogen knew Sayid was over to the dark side, and at sundown would murder him. Dogen didn't even try to fight back. He could have seen Sayid enter the Temple, and then attacked Sayid. But he didn't. He let Sayid's plan unfold.

Who does this remind us of. When Christ enters Jerusalem before his death, he knows he is going to his death. He doesn't put up a fight, nor even let his disciples defend him. Not saying Dogen is Christ, but the spirit of the story is there. So can we take heart that this is all part of Jacob's plan? It depends if you see "good" triumphing over "evil". But then this is LOST.

William Blake said that Milton had made the ultimate anti-hero in Satan in Paradise Lost. Darlton have made the ultimate anti-hero in MiB/Locke in LOST. By comparison, Jacob seems ineffectual, a mere whisp of air, and nothing more. His body burned up so easily, as if he was made of paper. MiB said he was once a man, though he may just be relying on Locke's memories (his tale sounded very much like Locke's life). Remember, Satan is the "prince of lies". first many gave that attribute to Ben, but it looks like we've been too hasty. In this topsy-turvy world, those who tell lies, try to manipulate are the good guys; while those who tell the truth are bad.

But so far we haven't got any indication of Jacob being human, except dying and eating fish. That shows he has a soul, but perhaps that was his original form, unless we learn some new fact, like Ilana is his daughter. But going with Jacob's powers (what is with that touch still), and his uncanny ability to see the future and manipulate things, what is he?

Anonymous said...

Was Jacob eating sole food?

Anonymous said...

"Kill every living thing on this island."

Oooookay.

Does that mean all the non-human living things as well? Polar bears? Wild boar? Birds, insects, trees, grass?

Smokey gonna be busy.

Anonymous said...

Maybe he's related to Noah. Does anybody have flood insurance?

SDS said...

Ya, Smokey did look rather phallic this episode :O

Sagacious Penguin said...

@ StudioRose

Well, Episode 10 of this season IS called "The Hunt for the HurleyBird" so I imagine he WILL be busy!

Fred said...

Doc Jensen makes an interesting point that a number of the season 6 episodes could match the Ten Commandments. In the spirit of Jensen's idea, here is some possible outlines.

Pilot (both shows) fit commandments 1 & 2: I am the Lord your God, not have anoy other gods before me. The first says God led the chosen people out of bondage--and we see the Losties returning to LA on Flight 815, this time not held on the island; also we see in the underwater shot the statue, a god that is broken.

Commandment 3, do not use the name of the Lord in vain, just doesn't seem to fit What Kate Does.

Commandment 4, also does not seem to fit, keep the Sabbath, since this is Locke-centric.

However, commandment 5, honour father and mother, fits somewhat the Lighthouse. Jack comes to terms with his father, is no longer seeing him as an enemy, but as a failed man whom he might have himself become.

Commandment 6, (Doc Jensen figured this fits very well), not to commit murder, suits the Sayid-centric episode.

Commandment 7 is not to commit adultery, which would fit Sun and Jin, if Jae Lee comes back. But on Lostpedia it shows this episode is called Dr. Linus. This seems more like a Locke-centric episode, perhaps re-introducing Anthony Cooper.

Commandment 8 is not to steal__I am torn between Kate, whom we saw steal as a child, and Sawyer the con man. Since Sawyer did not have a side-flash, I am betting on it being his episode.

Commandment 9, not to bear false witness, seems ideal for a Richard-esque episode. Will we finally get some truth about what is going on?

Commandment 10, not to covet your neighbours wife, goods etc really doesn't seem to fit anything, unless we get another Sayid episode, with Nadia and kids leaving Omer. I had first thought this was perfect for Sun, Jin and Jae Lee. But given the surprise of the Sayid?nadia dynamic, it's likely Sun never had an affair with Jae Lee in side-world.

All in good fun.

DavidB226Morris said...

Has anyone else noted how utterly without direction Ben has been this season? All these years he's been manipulating people, thinking he was involved in a chess game between himself and Widmore (where is Widmore, btw?) and not that he finally realizes he's been nothing more than a pawn(and for the bad side), all of the fight's gone out of him

Yes, he lied to Ilana about not killing Jacob (and that's going to come back to bite him in the ass) but he did it more out of preservation than anything else. Now he's just letting Ilana lead him along, and it doesn't seem like there's any fight left in him. I think he's been out maneuvered for the last time.

Well, next week's a Ben-centric episode so will get to see what he's like in the sideways world. Maybe we'll finally see what happened to Annie in this episode. Here's hoping

TM Lawrence said...

With true respect to all in their individual interpretations of intentionally ambiguous storytelling, I offer this: We have just by twilight of dusk witnessed the finger of god/angel of death reek vengeance on all who would not join him, laying waste to a temple replete with Egyptian glyphs and where water turned to blood. Claire and Kate (mothers of Aaron jointly safe in their pit) benefited from a "passover" and the only other survivors of the dark force's wrath passed through Jacob the lamb's protective threshold -- marked by a shen-ring/omega/stargate representing "the sanctuary of the limitless" no matter how you slice it. And the exodus has begun in earnest. The sheep are following their twisted Moses into an uncertain landscape, but free of their Egyptian bondage.

As I continue to hear and read such pure black and white, good and evil, light and dark plurality in the interpretation of Jacob and UnLocke, I am challenging the viewership to consider the following:

1) The Judeo-Christian God YHWH is a vengeful, jealous and wrathful God who smote armies, flooded the earth, toppled towers of learning, rained fire on whole towns and allowed his adversary to torture his most faithful servant. He created man in his own image: flawed to the point he would have to be driven from paradise and that he would have to accept the offer of his own adored Son to die for the redemption of these same flaws. Hardly calls for broad strokes of white paint.

2) Charlie, Daniel, and John Locke all fit a savior archetype better than Jacob.

3) Jacob's entire arc is far more Luciferian, which apocryphally, does not paint him black only fallen and sharing most with man's sinful path and most attuned to man's need for redemption.

4) The reconciler(s) of our timelines, redeemer(s) of our survivors, and protector(s) of our off-island toddlers will not be sheep following either of these religulous (mis)leaders: he/she/they will be the Lost skeptic(s) we love/hate most.
- Kate (off the radar and off the cave wall like Leia and Eowyn due to gender or arrogance)
- Sawyer (outcon the conman, HanSoLo style)
- Jacobus by any other name, who will stand as a leader apart
- Sun and Jin united as the elements
- Desmond as the variable that will come like Jon Osterman unpredictably
- Hugo as the glue and moral compass

Regardless, our hope lies in grey-scale, questioning of our leaders motives, and the cooperation of immiscible types; in Lost and into the omega.

Fred said...

@T M Lawrence: Nice job on making us think out of the box.

(1) "Hardly calls for broad strokes of white paint." But LOST was never black/white for those in the know. We saw that in the pilot when Jack opened the sewing kit, revealing multicoloured bobbins of thread. Jack chose 'basic black,' but colour association is not alwyas a good indicator of character. But you make a good point of smokie "cleansing" the Temple as he barrels through it "smiting" anyone standing. But is this the angel of death, is it Samael? Or is it God's wish on an island Ben has told us "not even God sees." It seems more Nietzschian, "what doesn't kill me makes me stronger" sort of philosophy. Those who survive become the new superman or woman. But then it would be Beyond Good and Evil.

(2) "Charlie, Daniel, and John Locke all fit a savior archetype better than Jacob." Never really saw this. Charlie's death was touching, but ultimately pointless. Similarly, Daniel's demise came about because of his mother, and as Ms Hawking noted, Daniel failed. Similarly, Locke failed, as MiB recounts his last thought, "I don't understand."

I like your point 3. Jacob is definetly associated with fire (in his shoe-box house, on the beach cooking a fish). Light is even associated with Jacob in the lighthouse, whereas darkness and rain is associated with MiB. Strangely MiB is also associated with music--the lute in the cave. Is there a connection between MiB and whomever programmed the Looking Glass?

And your popint 4, if LOST really is Beyond Good and Evil, then someone like a superman has to arise form the bunch of survivors. Maybe Sun and Jin--MiB could not tell which Kwon, but in marriage the couple become as one, so both. But I think there is something more, we just haven't got it. The island itself is a player (cue strange little blond kid) or referee of the game. What I still want to know is what is the island? Sayid said everyone has a boss. So why not Jacob and MiB, also? Is the island their boss?

Benny said...

Not getting the comments updates anymore, just re-subcribing!

Benny said...

*-subscribing

M9 EGO said...

Show has just aired in the UK and what a BRILLIANT episode...back to the good old LOST of conflict and violence !!!....
I think the taxi driver was Lapidus.

Kevie Metal said...

@Joan Crawford: Well if you've seen the "Epic Beard Guy" video, you know not to underestimate guys with fanny packs.

Benny said...

Anyone ready to bet that Jack's son goes to the same high school Ben, Locke and Artz are teaching at?

Benny said...

A FEW MORE NOTES:


Richard did not seem aware of the candidates when they are mentioned. Does he not know or is he just playing?


Locke is possibly lying. He said that Dogen believed Locke would kill Sayid, but if we believe he cannot kill a candidate, this is incorrect.


Theory on the TEST/ASH: a 'signal' sent to someone who touches ash gets affected. But each individually is not an issue! So without the ash, Sayid should not have reacted. Nor would he have had he not been infected. The same idea can easily apply tot he ash circles.


The Kid: only candidates can see the kid, and since Locke is the full recreation of the true Locke (body, memory, personality) then he can see him. The first appearance comes shortly after Locke mentions the candidates to Richard.
James Ford can also see him, maybe we'll observe others see the kid.


Tid bit: On IMDB, William Mapother is credited as Etham Rom for What Kate Does and not Ethan Goodspeed.

Benny said...

A note on mirrors. It was mentioned that there was a lack of Sayid looking at himself in a mirror, but he does look at a reflection of himself.

First scene, coming to Nadia's door, he looks at his reflection in the door window. Pretty emotionless as well.

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