Tuesday, March 30, 2010

Lost 6.10 "The Package"

A quick note that tomorrow I’ll be appearing at Huron University College at the University of Western Ontario in London, Ontario, at 6pm to talk about writing, and Lost. Hope to see some of you there!

“A wise man once said that war was coming to this island. I think it just got here.”

As we enter the second half of the final season, all of the stories are beginning to come together. We were in contact with both camps equally in this episode for once, and even saw what was happening with Widmore. In Locke’s camp you have misery — Jin’s leg is hurting and he’s angry. Sayid confesses that he can’t feel anything at all (I thought that moment was devastating) and Smokey’s suggestion that that might actually be for the best was creepy. Kate and Sawyer are both trapped in their own worlds of sadness. Claire is realizing that Aaron won’t know who she is and she’s wondering what the use of leaving the island even is. Over in Jacob’s camp, it’s not like it’s much better. Ilana just keeps polishing her guns while Sun can’t speak to anyone anymore, Jack tries to keep things together and brings hope to them, Richard and Hurley return, Miles has his caustic comments, and Frank plays cards. And Ben... well, Ben’s become quiet. I’m actually really missing evil weaselly Ben. Bring him back!!

The war is coming, and we know once and for all that Widmore is NOT on the Man in Black’s side... meaning he’s actually a good guy? So what does that make Ben? Widmore suggests that he thought the Man in Black was a fairy tale, but did Ben know anything about it?

And the Kwon candidate is...
I think after this episode it’s possible we had a hint that Sun was the candidate. (Only on Lost could I use the phrase “it’s possible we had a hint” and act like it’s a solid clue.) In the sideways world, she walked by a mirror, looked in it and suddenly stopped and stared like she saw someone else looking back at her... or like she saw momentarily what she looked like in the other world. So far only the candidates have done that with mirrors in the sideways world.

Highlights:
• “Unless Alpert’s covered in bacon grease I’m not sure Hurley can track anything.” LOL!!!!
• Sun flirting with Jin in the hotel room with the buttons on her shirt was fantastic. I LOVED that scene!
• Gah!! When Sun conked her head on that tree I actually gasped out loud.
• Room 23!!!
• Keamy: “I feel like I’m in those damn Godzilla movies.” Hahaha!! I love the little details they gave him to make him more of an idiot, like yelling to make the Koreans understand, and then mixing them up with Japanese people.
• Mikhail!! With two eyes!!
• Miles: “She hits her head and forgets ENGLISH? Are we supposed to buy that?!” Frank: “Asks the man who communes with the dead.” HAHAHA!!! Oh Frank... I would buy a book of your one-liners.
• Richard walking over wearing the cross made me swoon. I’ve been in love with this guy for three years, and after last week’s episode, it totally paid off. ;) Oh Richard...
• Sun unleashing on Richard, who turns to look at Jack, who gives a little shrug and a “Dude, I’m as lost as you are” look. Brilliant!
• Jin looking at the pictures of Ji Yeon for the first time, and the look on his face (only I felt a little bad that Sun wasn’t with him when he saw pictures of his daughter for the first time).
• I know there’s one more highlight I’m forgetting... what could it be???
• DESMOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Answers:
• Desmond My Desmond was the thing in the box. I joked a couple of weeks ago that perhaps the container is like Ben’s box, and contains what you want the most; in which case, if it represented my wish it would have been Desmond. Which means... that container represented my wish!!! Oh THANK YOU Lost writers, for making this show all about ME!! :)

The Numbers:
At the hotel, Jin and Sun are put on the 8th floor; Ben says he told them all 4 times that he didn’t do this to Sun.

Did You Notice?:
• When we were watching Kate and Sawyer chat through the night goggles at the very beginning, it felt very voyeuristic, even though we’re listening in on them every week, there was something different about watching them like that.
• Widmore’s peeps shoot poisoned darts, similar to what the Others used at the end of S2.
• Oh DAMN Liz Lemon is back. Rats.
• Sun seemed so dominant in the hotel room that I don’t believe for a second she would have feebly buttoned up her blouse on the plane for him, nor would her “bodyguard” ahve deigned to speak to her in that way. So that was definitely a false lead for us.
• When Smokey approaches Sun, the red flowers are behind her. They’re always nearby when he shows up.
• When Sun wakes up in the bed beside Jin, he looked dead for a second... it was eerie how still he was sitting.
• When Jin flips the switch in Room 23 and the crazytown Clockwork Orange shit begins to happen, we see DeGroot with his goggles on looking at a microscope... the message “Think About” “Your Life” with many Buddha statues around it, and then “We are the causes of our own suffering” text is laid over a graveyard that looks an awful lot like the one that has Jin’s tombstone in it, then a picture of the moon, then doll’s eyes, another Buddha, “Everything Changes” over an old stove and a compass (not a directional compass but the one that usually comes with a protractor for geometry), then 3 keyboards (interestingly, the top one has a number pad above it with 9 keys on it... much like that one Charlie pushed in the S3 finale that had been programmed by a musician) and then Jin switches it off.
• Now we see why Keamy was wearing that fancy watch in “Sundown”: it was Paik’s watch.
• Is it just me, or has something happened to Jack to make him really super hot in S6?? Is it the hair? Is it his less douchey attitude? It is a combo? Maybe it’s just the hair.
• Smokey always refers to people he hates as “friend,” the same thing he pointed out to Caesar and Bram.
• Sun suddenly speaking in a way that no one can understand made me think of the Tower of Babel story in the Old Testament, where one minute everyone speaks the same language, and the next no one can understand each other.
• It looks like Mr. Paik is a complete dick in every reality.
• “The heart wants what the heart wants.” Sometimes I feel like that could be the mantra of the show.
• There was some weird stuff happening in the fridge. Keamy does all of his talking, and then Jin says, “Thank you.” Keamy is extremely careful around Jin, like he genuinely doesn’t want to hurt him, and when he says, “I’m sorry... some people just aren’t meant to be together” it looks like he’s saying it with more pain than he should. Is that on purpose, or is there something larger happening there?
• In the pictures with Ji Yeon, you can see Sun’s dog Bpo Bpo.
• AH!! Sun is pregnant in the sideways world! Jin’s sperm was OK in that world, and he didn’t need the Magical Island Sperm™ to impregnate her.
• Jack is brilliant in the scene with Sun... it felt like one of those lovely season 1 moments where one character connects to the other, or when Jack was really helpful and a pretty damn good doctor to people on the island. (Is it just me, or am I in love with Jack in this episode?! What has HAPPENED to me?!)
• Was anyone else thinking, “Sun, there are only a few pages in that little notebook... stop wasting them by drawing giant emoticons”?
• Notice Sawyer doesn’t quite finish his sentence: “Then we’re screwed six ways to Sun-”
• Sayid emerging from the water was SO Apocalypse Now.

So Many Questions...
• Does anyone know if what the customs guy says is true? Can they simply confiscate the money if he won’t fill out the paperwork? Isn’t there some law stating that they need to have a Korean translator standing there to tell him this stuff fairly?
• So if Jin isn’t married to Sun, why is he working for Paik? In the other world it was a necessary evil to get Sun, but in this one it seems he’s willingly working for Paik, and happened to meet Sun while he was doing it (I assume... or perhaps he met her and then worked for Paik to get closer to her...) Either way, working for Paik doesn’t seem to cause the personal turmoil that it did in the other world.
• In the sideways world, most people are living happier lives, but Sayid’s is miserable, and now Jin’s and Sun’s are falling apart. And notice theirs are interconnected but not connected to the others. Are they separate somehow?
• When Sun woke up, she could only speak Korean. In the sideways world, she can only speak Korean. Any connection?
• Why is Zoe looking for the pockets of electromagnetic energy on the island? She says she’s a geophysicist, so what does she have to do with Widmore’s team?
• Smokey tells Claire that her name isn’t on the wall (but we saw Littleton there... perhaps it was Aaron?) and that Kate’s isn’t... “Not anymore.” Her name hasn’t been crossed off Jacob’s dial, though. Why the inconsistency?
• So... is Jin the tomato?
• Jack promises Sun that he'll get her back to Jin... he's made promises he can't keep before, and I really hope this isn't one of them.
• So, does Sawyer really know what’s in the room in the sub, or does the Man in Black just THINK he knew what was in there?
• So... where is Penny? How did Widmore get Desmond? Did he take him out of the hospital? Does that mean he has Charlie, too? I remember saying at the end of S5 that we saw Eloise get into a cab, but Widmore was still there... did he do something?

And tomorrow at noon I will once again be participating in the Globe and Mail Lost chat from noon to 1pm EST. Go here to ask questions and comment. See you there!

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Donna S. said...

Benny, please don't smack me...I don't spend 24/7 on Lost blogs, and have never watched (or is it "listened to"?) a podcast. But...who is Olivia? (The name escapes me at the moment.) Can you cite a season and episode when this volcano was mentioned? (Hee hee...like Bible chapter & verse!)

Austin Gorton said...

@Donna S.: Olivia was Horace Goodspeed's sister (well, we assumed she was his wife, but then season five and Amy came along...) who was a Dharma teacher.

In the season three Ben flashback episode "Man Behind the Curtain" she was seen teaching lil'Ben about the volcano on the island, shortly before the class had to duck and cover due to a Hostile incursion.

Sorry for stepping on your toes, Benny. Like you and Christian, I drift in and out as well. :)

Benny said...

Curse you Teebore...

Well, at least I got comment 200!

Donna S. said...

Thanks for that info, Teebore. Will have to rewatch that...don't quite recall that scene.

(Proud owner of Seasons 1-5 on DVD. Watched all 5 seasons between Oct & Jan, in prep for Season 6! But, I don't exactly have a mind like a steel trap, lol.)

Benny said...

...and may I had. I don't spend time on any other Lost blogs. This is the only one I follow, so all I know comes from watching the show and discussions here.

I'm not sure if this is better or worse actually ???

Benny said...

And I also occasionally skim other contributors from here.

And I know your remark was all in good fun... I'm just saying this place is GOLD!

wv: harpo - should I go with Oprah's company or one of the Marx brothers? I'll go with the Marx one!

latelylost said...

@Benny - -As for Locke being 'taken over' on the main island, Ilana and Bram take his body in the Ajira crate on Hydra. So from your theory, his body needed to come back somehow.

Ummm...no, at least not by my theory. Sorry if I was unclear. Locke's body is Locke's body. I haven't re-watched the relevant episode, but according to Lostpedia, the crate was on the beach when Locke and Ben were about to leave in the boat. The John Locke on the beach, that went to the main island with Ben in the outrigger, may or may not have been Smokey/Flocke. Obviously, it's a manifestation of something. If it was Flocke all along, then the question becomes how Smokey got to Hydra if he can't cross water without some vessel.

Perhaps he's just zoomin' Sawyer about not being able to cross water as Smokey, but I'm not sure why that exchange was placed in the script otherwise.

Thanks for the memory nudge about the change of clothes.

Ilana did say that they would be safer with the water at their backs. Not sure if that means she's knows Flocke's "weakness".

@Teebore - from the pictures at Lostpedia, Christian was wearing a brownish/reddish shirt with a button down collar when he was seen on the freighter with Michael, when he encountered Frank and Sun, and when he was with Locke in the FDW chamber and a (blue?) suit with tie when he appeared to Jack at the office/hospital.

@Lisa - I wondered back a while ago if there were other "little smokies" that can assist him

In an earlier post, I excised a bunch of speculation that Smokey might have some sort of "familiar", in favor of the tendril stuff. And you're right, it is fun.

Benny said...

@latelylost: Got it!

So this was SOME manifestation of Locke that got taken over once he arrived on the main island? Hmmm... seems somewhat needlessly complicated though.

Joan Crawford said...

I come and go, too! Just like herpes!

Wait...oh, dammit it all.

Benny said...

...and you're just as fun as herpes!

No wait... I meant... what? Cruse!

Benny said...

Curse!

Blam said...

You were right the first time, Benny: Tom Cruise is just as much fun as herpes.

Blam said...


@Joan: SHOT THROUGH THE EYE!

Oh, please don't make me break out a Bon Jovi parody.

VW: gothat — New promotional campaign for The National Headwear Association.

Blam said...


I just realized that in the AU Sun isn't a Kwon. Could this point to Jin being a likelier candidate for, uh, candidacy in the OU?

@Stacy: After Jin looked at pictures of baby, Widmore said to get the package. I was so sick that the package was going to be the baby. Thank goodness it was Desmond!

I still think that "The Package" also refers to what Sun was carrying in the AU, although what ramifications that has for Ji Yeon's significance in the OU remains to be seen, and Jin's missing money was also a package.

Rainier said...

@ S. Penguin:

I've seen reports all over the web now swearing up and down he says "happen to the Island," but I watched the episode twice before even coming online to talk about it and heard "happen to ya" very distinctly, clearly, and without even giving it a second thought. I've now gone back to listen again and still don't quite understand what people are hearing. The words "ya" and "Island" are very different! I doubt so many people would have the same mis-hearing without warrant... so why the discrepancy I wonder!

This is indeed very strange. I did not think about this until I had read about it; however, when I went back and re-watched it, I did indeed hear "the island". What's more, I heard "the" with a long "e", which makes it even harder to mix up with "ya." Part of the confusion here, though, is that what I hear is "what's about to happen to the island, can't have you freakin' out", so the "i" from 'island is what you are hearing as "I" before the word "can't". but there is definitely something between "I" and "can't", and what I am hearing is "island." Check it out again!

Blam said...


I heard Keamy say "the Island" too, when watching, but it didn't make sense. So I rewound, it was inconclusive, and I shrugged it off as a trick of the sound; I really don't think it was any kind of deliberate "Easter egg" (Ear-ster egg?), even though this would be the week for it.

VW: later — Uh... See ya!

Donna S. said...

Sounds like Hooked on Phonics.

Thanks a lot, Mumbles Keamey. You've created a whole nuther Lost controversy! (roll eyes)

Blam said...


@Teebore:I found myself liking Jack in this episode too. And the last couple. Basically, once he stopped being Douchey Jack and started acting more like Classic Locke, I started liking him more. Go figure. ;)

He started acting more like Classic Locke last season, though, and that didn't work out so well. Remember? Jack agreed to get his father's shoes, recreate the circumstances of the Oceanic flight, and accompany Locke's body back to the Island... Then he ended up 30 years in the past, where he turned his back on science and the Hippocratic Oath in favor of making sandwiches and trusting fate, letting whatever happened to young Ben happen... And he started trusting science again when it came to Daniel's far-out theories, in the way that Locke trusted the Island's destiny/purpose-inflected science of the button in the Hatch, only to have Juliet die and the rest of them flash back to the present and not to another timeline, the exact opposite of what he truly believed would happen and everyone trusted him to bring about.

I'm just sayin'.

And that said, I think that the showrunners are setting Jack back up in hero mode as the flawed-but-redeemed protagonist — he's coming across as calm, vital, and purposeful. But he did pre-Incident, too, so it feels a bit like the show that cried wolf in terms of why the other characters, if not the viewers, would trust him again. Maybe by Jacob or the Island's reckoning his actions in the 1970s had the desired outcome, but I don't think Sayid, Sawyer, et al. would see it that way.

Blam said...


Since a number of regulars here have been kind enough to start following my own blog, I'm going to beg Nikki's indulgence and post a quick note about it:

I didn't put up that April Fool's post; the blog was hijacked, and all the content to date appears to have been erased.

So far no serious attempt has been made on my part to regain control, beyond some quick poking around, because I want to preserve the crime scene in case Blogger can do anything to track down the perpetrators or at least safeguard against this happening again. This is not being posted to drive a curiosity crawl or any other kind of traffic to my blog, just to reach as many people who have already seen it as possible since comments over there are disabled. I don't want replies with condolences or anything to clog up Nikki's comments section here, either, and I'll do my best to post a legitimate message on my blog or some friends' blogs by tomorrow.

Rainier said...

@Sagacious Penguin: So maybe, if all the energy did release, time would collapse in on itself or something crazy like that. You've still got to wonder what the consequences of Desmond letting the Swan Hatch implode though...

Or the consequences of not pushing the button if Desmond had not hit the fail-safe key?

This makes me wonder about the whole punching-in-the-numbers in the Swan Hatch thing. If turning the fail-safe key destroyed the hatch and its contents, thereby preventing (presumably) a release of all that energy with its devastating consequences, and the evil (or the energy) was therefore not freed from the island, why the necessity of the whole computer set up in the first place?

@ Chris N: I don't think it's hell. That would pretty much mean that the characters are all dead, right? And Damien & Carlton said a long time back that they are not dead. And they seemed to have dismissed that idea in Ab Aeterno as well. I believe they are going somewhere else with this...

@ Ali Bags: But of course, my absolute favourite is Richard. Did you see the smile on Ilyana's face when he walked up? - that's how I would look if he walked up to me!

Mmmmmmmm...me, too. I don't find Jack particularly hot (even with the new improved hair!), but Richard - well, now...

@ asiancolossus: I'm confused about Keamy's intentions towards Jin. Did he actually show that he had a heart?

Nah - this is just Keamy being his usual scuzzy self. I think all of that sort-of-sincere-sounding crap that he pitches at Jin is his sick idea of ironic humor. Keamy definitely has no heart!!! Why are people so quick to see his comments to Jin as sincere, when he has shown time and again that he is a complete sociopath? Sociopaths, by the way, excel at pretending to feel emotions that they do not. I know this is true; I grew up with one. So believe me, Keamy is NOT being sweet or sincere here...just creepy.

@ Scott: Regarding the question of which Kwon is a candidate, while Sun staring into the mirror offers compelling evidence of her being the one, I'm still holding out that they come as a "package" deal. I think the writers are misleading us to believe it's one or the other. I think they count as "one" candidate mind you. Possibly Jacob trying to think outside the box.

I think you may well be right about this. It would explain why, whenever someone makes a reference to how many candidates are left, they seem to be coming up with an extra person. They would be counting both of them separately. Or maybe they just don't know which one it is, and are covering their bases by counting them both. OR...I will just throw this out as well: do we know for a fact that Richard is not a candidate? How about Desmond?

Ana Maria said...

...hahahahaha Chiclets or not, I find Keamy very hot...

Joan Crawford said...

@BLAM I didn't put up that April Fool's post; the blog was hijacked, and all the content to date appears to have been erased.

NOOOOOOOO! No. No. That's not true! Blam - my nerves! Enough jokes.

Blam said...


Batkitty (via Batcabbage): '30 Black Rock'

Hahahahahahahaha!!!

Lisa (UFN): And what's in that effing backpack already?

I know, right?
Maybe Waaaaaaaaaaalllllllttt!!!?

Teebore: My guess is, since Jacob is dead, one of them has already, technically replaced him. It's just that no one, including FLocke and the candidates, knows which one. So FLocke probably can't leave until the new Jacob is dead too, and since he doesn't know who it is, he wants to kill or corrupt all of them. And that's easier to do if they're all in one spot.

Really awesome reasoning, my friend.

Joanie Loves Chachi: M-O-O-N, that spells Strong Willed Tomato!

B-E-E-R spells whiskey!

Rainier: [T]his is just Keamy being his usual scuzzy self. I think all of that sort-of-sincere-sounding crap that he pitches at Jin is his sick idea of ironic humor.

Agreed.

latelylost: Unfortunately, this still doesn't answer what did, as you point out, seem to be two manifestations of Smokey with Isabella in the ship and the tikka tikka noise outside.

I haven't gone back and looked at the scene again, but in my memory when Ben goes underground to face Smokey amidst the hieroglyphics Alex is manifested within the black smoke and then steps out of it towards Ben... So it's possible that manifestations can be "spun off" at close range. Also, if Smokey can shapeshift and/or create images, a certain kind of invisibility is rather inherent in that, so it's possible that there are tendrils connecting Isabella to the main mass of Smokey above that simply can't be seen as part of the illusion.

VW: quili — A spicy Mexican dish made with feathers.

Donna S. said...

Anna Maria said: "I find Keamy very hot..."

Seriously? Eeeeewwww!

You got weird taste, girlfriend. But then, it takes all kinds, I guess.

Ana Maria said...

...Donna S, Keamy has a great body; he is a bad guy with a great physique!...but my main Lost-love is Jack...

Blam said...


@Smokin' Joan Frazier: Not a dream, not a hoax, not an imaginary story, as they used to say in the funnybooks... I'm feeling pretty stoic at the moment, though not without a certain undercurrent of rage. The actual content is easy enough to replace (if somewhat time-consuming due to Blogger's wonkiness and my own frequently disrupted Internet connection), because not only the text of all my posts but the HTML for many of them, too, exists on my laptop; I started saving it when posts began disappearing a year ago. What is lost are (1) the comments history; (2) destinations of outside links, at least based on some past reposting; and (3) any last doubts that I might have had about foul play being involved in this monkey business, as well as any hopes that Blogger was secure enough to fend off such sabotage, since my password is utterly random and has been changed frequently since the blog began.

Really, though, I don't want impose on Nikki's hospitality and the patience of our fellow congregants by addressing this any further here.

VW: entions — Family name of M and Int, their son Det, their daughter Conv...

rainyday said...

@Blam "it's possible that manifestations can be "spun off" at close range"

Thank You! This observation really clarifies the scene with Isabella in the ship. My instincts told me that manipulation/selfishness by apparition=MIB
lack of manipulation, forgiveness and healing=actual "ghost" of dearly departed.
The only glitch was Clark Smoke and Superghost in the same place at one time. Really, thank you!

Rainier said...

I posted my last comment re: whether Keamy said "the island" or not before reading the comments about the closed captions, the script, etc. But regardless, there is definitely something in there between the words "I" and "can't" Maybe just a mistake in saying the line. I dunno - I'm still hearing it! But this really is kind of silly, so I will drop it now.

Ambivalentman said...

@Batcabbage: I totally didn't think that Sun was going the Nick Andros route till you mentioned it. It's been years since I read "The Stand." Although, along those lines, I've been waiting for someone to offer to infiltrate the ranks of the opposing side.

Ali Bags said...

On the hotness of Jack:

Matthew Fox is very hot and it has always puzzled me why Jack is so Not Hot. It's his personality of course, and we women are swayed by such things. Now he is becoming less annoying and more chilled out, it stands to reason that he will become hotter.

Now I am going to try and get a brain and start pondering more philosophical issues. I was listening to some old podcasts yesterday and realised exactly how dense the story of Lost is, and that a lot of it now seems a but irrelevant. Can someone help me with this:
Now that we have been introduced to the back story of Jacob and MiB, why did we have all that time travel last season? What was the point of it? Why the frozen donkey wheel?
It now seems to be all about Smokey and the Candidates so what did Dharma have to do with any of it? And what about Eloise and Faraday and their story? I'm having a hard time connecting the dots. I think I'm going to have to map it all out to get it straight in my head (or just go with the flow and stop worrying)

Maybe everything will start connecting now Desmond is here.

Benny said...

@Ali Bags: I believe that the time traveling may have been a device used by Jacob or MIB to get the players to do something specific.

Christian (in the cabin) told Locke he had to move the island, but he didn't tell him how! So Ben turned the wheel and we saw what resulted. Later, Christian told Locke it was HE who was supposed to do it? There might be something at play there, it might have been to give us a WHH storyline, it may be explain in the next 7 episodes!

But it certainly looks like DHARMA may have had nothing to do with it though... or?

But I know for a fact that some character storylines we believe over are not, so brace yourself for some powerful excitement in the coming weeks!

Ali Bags said...

Thanks Benny, I knew you'd be the one to help! Jacob and MiB sure do like to complicate matters.

Do you think it's possible to explain everything in 7 episodes? - if they try those episodes are going to be mighty exhausting to watch.

I am actually hoping they leave some mysteries. It will give us all something to talk about for years to come.

Ali Bags said...

Got it! - the whole series is about Jacob and MiB's manipulation of the candidates - hence Locke and Ben, plane crashes, time travel and apparitions.

The Dharma Intiative seem to have been unwelcome intruders and were eventually got rid of.

The two people who never seem to fit were Richard Alpert and Desmond. Alpert's role has now been explained to us - and it looks like Desmond's will be soon.

I am still confused about Widmore though. Does he have his own agenda? (like the DI?)

Rainier said...

@Ana Maria: Keamy has a great body; he is a bad guy with a great physique!...but my main Lost-love is Jack...

Oh, m, yes - he does indeed have a truly fine physique. The kind that makes me want to get out my clay and tools and make beautiful male-body art...or something like that...Too bad I can't deal with that mouthful of Chiclets.

Gracie said...

First of all, thanks for the BIG welcome. It didn't go unappreciated or unnoticed.

I'm just gonna jump in here quickly to say two things I've already read in as far as I've gotten:

Doesn't Penny have to come back? She is Desmonds constant. She is the one who MUST save him cause the island isn't done with him yet.

Secondly, and I privately asked Nikki this last night: Locke says he is short three people. Couldn't that mean he is short two candidates AND ONE PILOT? Think about it.

Gracie said...

Also, and remember I'm new here: but if I understand correctly what Nikki means by "palatableness", IMHO should I ever find myself in a position where Desmond, Sayid and Sawyer are sitting naked on my kitchen table, I ain't kicking anybody off! Is that palatableness?

And the verification words are indeed a PAIN.

Gracie said...

Now you've got me taking notes. See what you've all gotten yourselves into?

Before I forget again: Happy Belated Anniversary to MareBabe. I was reading then, but obviously not commenting.

What is wrong with Keamy's face? In the FS he looks like he's had two plastic surgeries and both of them went badly. Does anybody else notice how his skin shines funny?

Is it true that Darlton have said that this show is NOT going to end happily ever after? If that's true, I fear for Sayid and Claire in a really bad way.

As a mother, I say this with no small amount of trepidation, but if Paik were my father, I absolutely would not hesitate to make the world a kinder, more gentle place. What a loathesome little man!!

@Benny re: 10. Impending hate triangle Ben-Widmore-Desmond... should be more exciting than the everlasting love triangle!
I agree there is a "thing" going on here. RIGHT here. But I don't think it's THE thing. The big deal on the island is between the MIB and Jacob OR Jacobs successor. EVERY OTHER SINGLE PERSON has been lied to in matters great and small. EVERYONE!! Within this small list, Desmond was lied to and kept there against his wishes. Ben was lied to but followed blindly. Although it hurt Ben to learn that he had followed someone for so long who never told him a darn thing, he had choices and he followed the lie because he believed in the island. Widmore was never the leader of the island, ELLIE was, and Widmore felt lied to and cheated. Widmore just wants the island, but does he fully understand at what cost? He knows there is something special there in a good way, but has he seen the down side? I almost have felt sorry for him at times because he just has to have that island, but I'm not always sure that he knows that the side he loves has another side. He's wanted it for so long, he's immune to everything else. HE cost himself his daughter, not the island. Unless of course there is something still to be seen.

As of now, I think the final six are Jack, Hurley, Kate, Sawyer and two Kwons OR one Kwon and ONE PILOT. I'm just not sure at this point that Sayid is gonna make it, although if I'm wrong, I'll be happy. And if I'm allowed to stick my neck out with a prediction, if one of these six has to forever stay behind with the island, I fear it's gonna be Jack. And I can explain that if anybody cares. What I cannot explain is at what point the island actually goes under water. Enough for now. Still reading.

JS said...

*sorry if this is a duplicate, blogger is acting weird*

OK, there's a lot I could respond to, but I think I will stick with the one thing I seem to be differing on from everyone else - MIB & crossing water.

How did he get to the other island ? In the words of our Korean heroine, BOAT. I am just going by the fact that Sawyer asked him why he didn't just smoke his way to the other island, and Flocke replied that if he could he would have done that already, and Sawyer said, yeah, that would be ridiculous. No?

Good point on Christian on the Freighter, and whispers. Maybe, like rules not applying to Desmond, rules do not apply to Christian, and he isn't a Smokey or Jacob representative, but that of the island?? All his interactions with Claire in casual wear do not support that, but worth pondering.

Also, re: water, notice, as smoke, he never gets near the beach, he stays in the jungle. Ilana wants to have the water at their back, as protection against Smokey sneaking up on them. Somewhere else I saw suggested that perhaps the constant rain showers were a way for Jacob to protect them against the smoke – I seem to remember Juliet and Kate being “photographed” during a rainstorm, but I don’t remember any other time Smokey and rain were together. Unless that wasn’t Smokey....

Also, where Locke saw the eye of the island, maybe that is not Smokey either but some other monster we have yet to be told about that is influenced by Jacob, or the eye-land. That would explain the difference between the beauty, and the Monster.

All I am saying is, why would Smokey make a point of saying he couldn’t cross the water, and why haven’t we seen him cross the water, if he could, in fact, cross the water? Wouldn’t an island make a perfect prison for him if he cannot cross the water as smoke?

JS said...

And further more, between the 4x dunking of Richard, the healing spring of water where you have to be submerged for a specific amount of time to be “healed”, and Ben's draining of the water in order to "summon" Smokey....

Maybe this really is like the Wizard of Oz and all they have to do is throw a pail of water on him and he'll melt. BOOM, I just solved LOST. OK, jk, jk. But, are there any other examples we could interpret the use of water as some sort of protection from Smokey?

latelylost said...

@Gracie - Secondly, and I privately asked Nikki this last night: Locke says he is short three people. Couldn't that mean he is short two candidates AND ONE PILOT? Think about it.

Great insight. And since Frank is one of my favorite characters, and since Frank is the pilot, I hope he sticks around until at least near the end. And I hope there is an episode where he gets to do more than utter a couple of (very funny) one-liners.

@JS - In the words of our Korean heroine, BOAT.

Absolutely. I've just found myself obsessing over which boat, and when.

Blam said...


@rainyday: Thank You!

You're entirely welcome. 8^)

@AliBags: Matthew Fox is very hot and it has always puzzled me why Jack is so Not Hot. It's his personality of course, and we women are swayed by such things.

For which thank Heaven or I'd never score the chicks.

@Gracie: Locke says he is short three people. Couldn't that mean he is short two candidates AND ONE PILOT? Think about it.

Ooh... Way to think outside the (magic) box!

@Gracie:
What is wrong with Keamy's face? In the FS he looks like he's had two plastic surgeries and both of them went badly. Does anybody else notice how his skin shines funny?


"Hey, Keamy: Does your face hurt? 'Cause it's hurting me!"

@JS:
All I am saying is, why would Smokey make a point of saying he couldn’t cross the water, and why haven’t we seen him cross the water, if he could, in fact, cross the water?


I don't understand. Could you please use the phrase "cross the water" in a sentence? 8^)

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Gracie said...

Yesterday Nikki posted something called "When an email can make a difference." The email was written by and about me, but I wrote it FOR NIKKI. Please, if you haven't already commented, but if you have enjoyed her books, or enjoy this blog....if you RESPECT her for what's she done, please read that and help me tell her what her work has meant to others. Apparently she catches a lot of flak from people because she writes about TV shows. And honestly, that's what I thought at first too. Please, please, PLEASE, go read that and send a comment to Nikki. Make my day! You WILL make her day too!

JS said...

@Blam - HAAAAHAHAHAHAHa

Nikki Stafford said...

OK guys... 211 comments, and I haven't weighed in at all. I'm going to see how far I can get (I was out of town and off my computer all day Wednesday, crazy busy all day Thursday, and then with the kids all day today... ack!! I have NEVER gone this long without looking at comments on a Lost post!!)

First, Senex: My husband, Justin - magnets! His favourite LOST phrase. LOL

You know, as soon as Zoe started asking about the electromagnetic sections on the island, I actually thought, "Oh no... Justin's gonna go on and on about his damn magnets now." LOL!!! I laughed out loud when I saw you wrote this.

Nikki Stafford said...

OK, and now it's saying there are 244 comments. Since there's no way 30 comments happened between this post and the next, I think Blogger's gone wonky again (there was one week when it was showing on my screen that there were 500+ comments and I thought WTF?! and came in and it was more like 280 or something... I have no idea what's up anymore).

ANYWAY... for everyone pointing out that Mikhail got shot in the eye, I totally agree and can't believe I didn't say that. How tragic for him that no matter what universe he's in, he's not only sinister, but he's going to lose that damn eye.

Nikki Stafford said...

JS: OK, why does Ji Yeon have a Happy Birthday sign in English? Aren’t they in Korea?

OMG, I can't believe I didn't mention this, either! I TOTALLY AGREE, and thought exactly the same thing... clearly it's just for the audience, but since no one in Sun's life actually speaks English, she wouldn't have had that banner.

Nikki Stafford said...

Loretta: You know, I might be alone in this, but I think the woman everyone is referring to as "Liz Lemon" actually looks a hell of a lot more like Lorraine Bracco.

I agree that she definitely looks a lot like her... although she doesn't have Bracco's husky voice. I know I've seen her somewhere before, but I can't place her.

Benny said...

@Nikki: Yeah, when you first try to post a comment it says something like 211. I did a search in my inbox and it was 240. The last page of comments says 246 so I'd go with that one.

Nikki Stafford said...

Sagacious Penguin: I was very happy when Widmore said that. I've been swearing up and down on my blog and elsewhere all week that the "evil" that the Island is keeping corked in is not moral evil but rather the huge stores of electomagnetic energy the Island has inside. For me this was near-confirmation that it's not something "moral" that Jacob is guarding but the utter literal destruction that would break loose if the energy were to be uncorked. So maybe, if all the energy did release, time would collapse in on itself or something crazy like that. You've still got to wonder what the consequences of Desmond letting the Swan Hatch implode though...

Excellent, excellent theory, and it could be right. Interesting that we all immediately jumped to the moral thing (probably because he actually referred to the wine as "Hell" which would give it a religious connotation) but I really like your suggestion!

Nikki Stafford said...

I'm really intrigued reading through your comments so far that so many people loved this episode. My first exposure to fan reaction on this show was at the Globe chat, and people HATED the episode over there. So it's interesting that you guys are the SECOND reaction (you're always my first) and I'm really pleased you guys didn't feel that way about it.

Nikki Stafford said...

Joan: I am pretty sure Nikki calls Desmond "The Package" when she thinks about him :D

Don't you know it. ;)

Nikki Stafford said...

Question Mark: P.S.- For some reason, Sun throwing a hissy fit at Richard and calling him an idiot to his face made me chuckle a LOT!

I totally agree. I thought it was hilarious... especially when RA looked at Jack, who looked like, "Hey, don't look at ME."

Nikki Stafford said...

DavidB226Morris: Am becoming especially troubled by what's happening to Sayid and Claire. The fact that the heart that got Sayid into so much trouble might finally be gone--- that's sad.

That's a really eloquent way of putting that! I agree, and I was thinking the same thing... he always acted with his heart, and now that he feels empty, that pretty much means his entire existence has been wiped out.

Kiki said...

So, my husband is watching the history channel and they are talking about Satan. They said it is said he will try an corrupt one soul at a time. Could that be FLocke is trying to do?

Nikki Stafford said...

Blam: @Nikki: “Unless Alpert’s covered in bacon grease I’m not sure Hurley can track anything.” LOL!!!

I liked Frank's reply even better. "Hey! Don't talk about" — and just when you think he's going to say "the kid that way," he finishes with "bacon."


LOL! You're totally right... Frank was ON this week!

Nikki Stafford said...

Blam: BTW: You Canadian folks probably had no annoying red V logo (and countdown clock to the show's imminent return on ABC after Lost) in the bottom-left corner obscuring Sun's notes or hanging there right below Jin's heart as Keamy poked at it. Did you?

Nope, it wasn't there at all... I only found out about it when I saw people commenting on it during the Globe thing. That's SO ridiculous. I hate stupid gimmicks like that.

Nikki Stafford said...

Batcabbage: I really liked this episode. It wasn't 'OMG I just shit myself' revelatory as last week's episode, but it was still very good.

HAHA!! You know, I need to have a poll ranking system where you click on what you thought of the episode, and THAT would be the top tier. Ha!!

Nikki Stafford said...

Karyn: It is that someone will need to "sacrifice" their only son (although could be daughter in these more modern times) to save the world. I wonder if Jacob and Smokey were brothers and "sacrificed" by Adam and Eve in the caves to be the island's yin and yang, thereby saving the world. And now a new yin and yang must be sacrificed for the sake of the world. If that was true, then who?

Nice theory! I like this one a lot. It's possible it's Widmore (yikes!!) but I'm not sure he'd be looking so cool about it if he'd just sacrificed Penny. That's very Abraham and Isaac...

Nikki Stafford said...

Joan: M-O-O-N, that spells Strong Willed Tomato!

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I have been WAITING all season to pull a MOON joke and now you beat me to it.

I'm still gonna do it. ;)

Nikki Stafford said...

Lisa (until further notice): NotLocke's shirt has "healed". Or he has found a new gray t-shirt that is better at hiding his "man boobs." Too bad everyone else is still wearing the same filthy clothing. And what's in that effing backpack already?

Ha! NO KIDDING. That's a really good point... what IS in that backpack?! Locke always carried one, but that's because it had water and probably a shitload of knives in it. What does THIS have?

Nikki Stafford said...

LT McDi: Nikki...just want to say..I've been here for a couple of weeks but I like this blog alot..very positive Lost site..

Welcome! It's great to have you. Is your avatar a pic of you standing at the Big Apple off the 401? I love that place! :)

Ali Bags said...

Can I just say, and this is very important, I don't find Keamy the least bit palatable.

Rebecca T. said...

@Ali Bags: Amen sister, amen

VW: pretr - when someone is less ugly

Gracie said...

@ Nikki Stafford said...
Karyn: It is that someone will need to "sacrifice" their only son (although could be daughter in these more modern times) to save the world. I wonder if Jacob and Smokey were brothers and "sacrificed" by Adam and Eve in the caves to be the island's yin and yang, thereby saving the world. And now a new yin and yang must be sacrificed for the sake of the world. If that was true, then who?

Nice theory! I like this one a lot. It's possible it's Widmore (yikes!!) but I'm not sure he'd be looking so cool about it if he'd just sacrificed Penny. That's very Abraham and Isaac...


Back in the day, and I mean way back in the day when we first learned of the two sides being Jacob and the MIB, and we already had a male and female body found long dead in the caves, I wondered why this could not be a long deceased Adam and Eve in the literal sense, along with Abel and Cain?? And this island that they show so beautifully is the Garden of Eden. That just fell right into place, but it seemed so simple to me that it couldn't be the jest of this whole story, could it? Also, if memory serves, and sometimes it doesn't, didn't Adam and Eve have other kids? Another son anyway? So I discarded this outright. If this theory is correct though, Abel was all good, and Cain was as rotten as they come. Or am I mistaken? And the way Adam and Eve were laid out was like they were either put together after dying of natural causes or murdered and laid together in final rest. Some thought went into placement there. Has anyone seen any rough equivalent of an apple? Just a long lost thought revisited.

Rebecca T. said...

@Gracie: Has anyone seen any rough equivalent of an apple?

the tomato from this week's episode? jk :P


VW: nompa - when cute cannibals eat their fathers?

Lisa(until further notice) said...

Just to clarify: Palatable(ness) in alphabetical order of last names: Abaddon, Carlyle, Eko, Farraday, Ford, Hume, Jarrah, Kwon, Man In Black (Titus Welliver), Richard, Shephard, (Sexy middle 40's) Whitmore.

Occasional (performance and storyline based) palatableness: Dogen, Goodspeed, Jacob, Lapidus, Linus, Locke, Pace, Reyes, Straume

Never palatable: Bram, Chang, Dawson, Mr. Friendly, Keamy, Paulo, Picket, Rom, Current time-line Whitmore

Lisa(until further notice) said...

Of course, Alpert should be first, but I think of him so much as Richard (Ricardo), that when I was compiling my list, I could only think of him by his first name...ike Cher or Madonna. OOPS!!

Anonymous said...

For the record, I've never found Matthew Fox in the least bit palatable, on or off screen, including when I was stalking him at Comic Con.

But you all know what I think about Naveen Andrews. (yum)

Gracie said...

I cannot find my original question about palateableness. Does this mean I don't get it? I understood it to mean that a person SO turns me on that if I could get them buckass naked on my kitchen table where they would be palateable, they weren't getting back off that table until I had 'eaten' my fill. Is that NOT palateable? I'm so lost on this one now. I've either got it right or I'm Lost.

Ali Bags said...

@Gracie
I think we all have our own private definition of 'palatability/palatableness' but you seem to be on the right lines.

My List (like Jacob's list but obviously much more important)

1. Richard
2. Sawyer
3. Sayid
4. Desmond
5. Sun (she could turn me - or would that be Juliet?)
6. Lapidus
7. Locke/MiB
8. Miles (for his one liners)
9. Vincent


NOT palatable AT ALL

1. Jack
2. Keamy
3. Bernard
4. Dr Arzt
5. Frogurt

Or we could play the 'Marry, date or Dump' game (in the Uk we used to call this 'Shag, Marry or Die')

Who I would like to shag:
Toss up between Richard and Sawyer
Who I would like to marry:
Hurley
I would rather die than shag or marry:
Jack

That was childish. And fun.

Ali Bags said...

Forgot to mention that I would also like to marry Damon Lindelof

Joan Crawford said...

@Ali -My List (like Jacob's list but obviously much more important) Hahah!

Sun - she could turn me
Have you seen the 30 rock where Salma Hayeck asks Liz if she wants to see her naked and Liz is like"...yeah, kinda."? Ha!

I wanna go too!

1)Sayid
2)Richard
3)John - I know, right?
4)Desmond
5)Jack
6)Jin
7)Sawyer

@Gracie - I originally used "palatable" as a classy way to say "humpable". Since then, it has grown into this whole measuring system of palatability and palatableness. It means anything you want it to really (but mostly it means humpability).

Rainier said...

@Lisa(until further notice): Of course, Alpert should be first, but I think of him so much as Richard (Ricardo), that when I was compiling my list, I could only think of him by his first name...ike Cher or Madonna. OOPS!!

Hmmm... I might just put Richard first whether in alphabetical order or not. He sure is purty.

@ Gracie: yep, you got the palatableness thing right. I wouldn't kick any of them off, either.

I originally accidentally posted this in the wrong place - in the comments for Ab Aeterno. And I can't delete it. This prompted me to go create a Blogger ID. In the immortal words of Bill the Cat, AAAAck.

WV: tediat - the qulity or state of being wearisome, in a specific place.

Gracie said...

Ali Bags said: Or we could play the 'Marry, date or Dump' game (in the Uk we used to call this 'Shag, Marry or Die')

Who I would like to shag:
Toss up between Richard and Sawyer
Who I would like to marry:
Hurley
I would rather die than shag or marry:
Jack

And I said YOOHOO!! I can play this game!
Who would I like to shag:
Toss up between Sawyer (um, sorry to say this, but IMHO the thinner version of Sawyer) and Desmond (has anyone noticed the size of this mans hands other than me? OMG. Enough said.)
Who would I like to marry on this cast: I don't know the person who in real life is Desmond and probably not a single one of you do either. By this I mean Henry Ian Cusick. But I adore his character, Desmond. The way he looks at Penny........enough said.
I would rather die than shag or marry: Tie hands down and oddly, two fathers. (Father issues?) The two most detestable people on this show are Mr. Paik and Charles Widmore. To see them on the street, I'd probably spit at them. Vincent has more palateableness IMHO that either of these two fathers of daughters. -

Rainier said...

Shag, marry, or die: I'm in too!

Who I would like to shag: toss up between Richard and Sayid (the pre-Dark Side Sayid)
Who I would like to marry: Hurley, no question
Who I would rather die than shag or marry: Keamy. Scary monsters!

WV: wigfx - what they do a lot of with hair on Lost

Rebecca T. said...

My bizarro world of palatableness is as follows (and not in any order, but how they come to mind)

-Benjamin Linus (yes, you heard that right. I am a sick puppy. Maybe it's because Michael Emerson is such a sweetheart?)
-Sawyer (not Jim) Ford
-Ethan Goodspeed/Rom
-AlternaWorld Sayid Jarrah
-Desmond Hume

Not ever palatable EVER:
-"sexy" Widmore. Ew. (Any Widmore for that matter)
-Frogurt
-Michael
-Locke

And a bunch that kind of fall in the middle. Not abhorrent, but not quite palatable either.

Rainier said...

@ Sagacious Penguin: Plus it means the energy is important to Widmore. He has in some ways taken over for the Dharma Initiative as the face of Science on the Island...

But what the heck does he hope to accomplish? All he's ever seemed to have wanted previously was possession of the Island and revenge on Ben Linus...


This brings up a whole bunch of questions I have had for a long time about the various potential uses of the island's energies for scientific purposes. I believe that any scientist would go nuts on the island. Though we have not seen a lot of this, the biology of the island must be fascinating. Islands in general tend to be biological bonanzas because of their geographic isolation - this often results in a wealth of new species (think Australia or the Galapagos if you aren't really familiar with biology). I think it might have come up once when Arzt was around, but he was really hard to take seriously. And we've not seen that the DI did much with this beyond importing polar bears and putting them in Skinner boxes, which is more in the realm of animal behavior. (They may also have been studying their ability to adapt to a tropical climate, since even in the 70's scientists knew about global warming. But nobody knew then how quickly it would progress...) They probably did other biological work, though.

But the electromagnetic energy on the island would be a physicist's wet dream. Physics is not my forte, but I am conversant enough in it to understand some of the potential implications. The time travel stuff alone, though highly speculative (to say the least!) would make anyone who really understands physics want to stay on that island forever studying it.

So is it possible that Widmore has some background in science? Is his desire to possess the island not some weird fetish or power-trip, but a genuine desire to explore and understand? He DID, after all, put a geophysicist in charge of his team this time around.

I, like others here, have a REALLY hard time seeing Widmore as a good guy. But I do wonder: how much do we really know about him? He did apparently make an effort to protect Locke from Ben, and he is not on the side of the MiB. We know that he sent a team to extract Ben, but was it really under his orders that they were trying to kill everyone on the island? Or was this 'some drunk's better idea'? Maybe there is more to him than meets the eye.

As a side note, I think someone could write a great essay (or series of essays?) on "The Science and Magic of Lost".

WV: mistioni - maybe an Italian cocktail?

Rainier said...

@ Gracie: I cannot find my original question about palateableness. Does this mean I don't get it? I understood it to mean that a person SO turns me on that if I could get them buckass naked on my kitchen table where they would be palateable, they weren't getting back off that table until I had 'eaten' my fill. Is that NOT palateable?

On the comments to your e-mail:

Can somebody please go back to the main comments page to this point April 2, 2010 12:04 PM, and tell me if I correctly understand the blogs definition of palateableness?

On this blog, 4/2 12:04 pm:

Also, and remember I'm new here: but if I understand correctly what Nikki means by "palatableness", IMHO should I ever find myself in a position where Desmond, Sayid and Sawyer are sitting naked on my kitchen table, I ain't kicking anybody off! Is that palatableness?

So I was saying that yes, I think that fits the definition of "palateableness", even if that is not, strictly speaking, what Nikki meant. ;)

Rainier said...

@ SonShineMusic:
Not ever palatable EVER:
-"sexy" Widmore. Ew. (Any Widmore for that matter)
-Frogurt
-Michael
-Locke


OMG!!! I had completely, totally, utterly REPRESSED Frogurt!!! I think that may be a measure of his unpalatability...

Ali Bags said...
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Ali Bags said...

The original 'Shag, Marry or die' game we used to play was called 'shag or die' and it involved coming up with two equally unpalatable celebs and then asking the question: 'If you had to shag one of them or die, which would you choose?'

e.g. Frogurt or old Widmore?

(you can tell I was at a top notch University at the time)

Ali Bags said...

@Joan Crawdord

I think I would like to see Salma Hayek naked. Who wouldn't?

Ali Bags said...

@Rainier
You've inspired me to come up with Palatableness categories:

1. Totally palatable at all times
2. An acquired taste
3. Palatable for certain characteristics (such as goodness, one-liners, the actor who plays them)
4. Either totally palatable or totally unpalatable depending on tastes
5. Creepy palatable
6. NEVER EVER palatable whoever you are
7. So unpalatable your mind has erased all memories of them in order to protect you.

Rainier said...

@ Ali Bags: 'If you had to shag one of them or die, which would you choose?'

e.g. Frogurt or old Widmore?

EEEEEEEK!!!

Ok, now that I'm past the gag reflex, I'd have to close my eyes and go with old Widmore.

Rainier said...

But that is a distinction between your categories 6 and 7.

Rainier said...

@ Ali Bags: I think I would like to see Salma Hayek naked. Who wouldn't?

OH Yeah!

Batcabbage said...

@Ali: I think I would like to see Salma Hayek naked. Who wouldn't?

Amen, sister! Here endeth the sausage-fest!

Nikki Stafford said...

The Shout: This year I think I'll get you tickets to the Sun / Shannon bikini face off.

Hello? Writers? Anyone?


You know, I think I'd rather a Sayid/Sawyer bikini face-off. Oddly sexy, yet crazy hilarious, all at the same time!!

Nikki Stafford said...

CBP68: Claire has become trivial and annoying. I still do not get why she is blaming everyone for her abandoning her child in the jungle. Why won't Sawyer, Kate or non-Locke say that to her? Maybe when they catch up with Hurley, he will gently remind her.

Great point, but I really think the Man in Black had something to do with this. In the beginning she knew she'd abandoned Aaron (and she'd been brainwashed into thinking it was OK). Think of the ways vampires glamour humans in True Blood... it was sort of like that, I think. When the "glamouring" wore off, she was alone, with no baby, and many of the survivors had hopped onto a helicopter and had taken off without her... an image Charlie distinctly said he'd had, and now he was dead, Aaron was gone, and she'd been left behind on the island.

Enter the Man in Black, who now needles at her that they actually took Aaron, and she didn't abandon him. Not to mention, if she WAS glamoured in any way, she'd have absolutely no memory that she'd abandoned Aaron, and would entirely believe that he'd been taken.

And then she goes down that long, sad road of building horrific boar skull babies. :::shudder:::

Nikki Stafford said...

humanebean: "So ... is Jin the tomato?" Lettuce hope so.

Oh, humanebean... how happy am I to get to your section of the comments??!! ;)

Nikki Stafford said...

Jazzygirl: Also, I've browsed a lot of these comments and I didn't see this anyway (could have missed it)...did anyone else think that it's Jin who can speak English in the side world and not Sun?

YES!!! I definitely thought that when Jin was in the freezer and Keamy was talking to him. He seemed to be taking in absolutely everything, but then just said, "Thank you" after, as if to make us think he hadn't understood a bloody thing. I'm still not so sure... although I guess he would have fought harder for that money if he'd actually understood what they were saying to him at the airport?

Nikki Stafford said...

Re: when Sun got pregnant: Fascinating... it never occurred to me that that would be an issue. I think their affair has been going on for a long time, and that he'd impregnated her back in Korea. Otherwise, why would Paik have wanted him killed for "boning his daughter" or whatever Keamy said about it?

Nikki Stafford said...

Fred: Reflecting back on the last episode, both Richard and Sun aspired for the New world, and each learnt English. At the end of these 2 episodes, they have returned to thier first language from childhood: Richard to Spanish, and Sun to Korean.

Excellent, excellent post!!

Nikki Stafford said...

myselfixion: Did anyone else notice that there was purple everywhere in the episode?

Was this an homage to "The Color Purple"?

Foreshadowing Desmond's return? He did turn the sky purple once!!!


Hmm... or it's just an allusion to Jimi Hendrix's "Purple Haze"... "Is it to-morrow or just the END OF TIME??"

Oh Jimi. My life is complete because of you. ;)

Nikki Stafford said...

Yikes, BLAM!!! That's awful about your blog, I'm so sorry to hear it was hacked like that! :(

Nikki Stafford said...

Gracie: I love the idea of the literal Adam and Eve. So if the two skeletons in the cave are Adam and Eve, then Jacob is actually Abel and the Man in Black is Cain. But Cain killed Abel, so I guess Jacob would be some sort of apparition?

OR, it's switched, and Jacob is Cain, killed Abel, and that's why Abel is now some angry apparition hell-bent on revenge.

I don't think they'd do something that literal, but it's a lot of fun to work it out! :)

Nikki Stafford said...

Gracie: I also really like the idea that Not-Locke didn't actually SAY he needed 3 candidates, just 3 people. You caught it!! The pilot would be the perfect 3rd person.

Nikki Stafford said...

Sonshine Music: @Gracie: Has anyone seen any rough equivalent of an apple?

the tomato from this week's episode? jk :P


Well, great. Just when I'm finally starting to think Jack is totally hot, it's because he's Satan. I think Joan and I were switched at birth. ;)

Nikki Stafford said...

Frak, that was supposed to be SEPARATED at birth. Cripes. Too early on a Saturday for me. ;)

Nikki Stafford said...

Rainier: In the immortal words of Bill the Cat, AAAAck.

Anyone who quotes Bill the Cat in the comments section is a definitely favourite of mine!! :)

Nikki Stafford said...

OK fine, I'm jumping in on the palatable thing:

Sonshine: Not ever palatable EVER:
-"sexy" Widmore. Ew. (Any Widmore for that matter)


Really? Not 40-year-old Widmore with the long hair and that Bill Sykes demeanour and the horse and... um... god, what was I talking about again?

Nikki Stafford said...

Ali Bags: HAHA!!! A hierarchy of palatable. LOVE it. Ah, the things people only find in the comments section on my site. It's like a whole other world in here...

Nikki Stafford said...

Woohoo! I'm finally caught up on the comments. Big moment for me here.

Ali Bags said...

@Nikki

I would give 40-year-old Widmore a category 4.

And Old Widmore a category 6 (apologies to Jim Robinson)

Gracie said...

Rainier said...
@ S. Penguin:

I've seen reports all over the web now swearing up and down he says "happen to the Island," but I watched the episode twice before even coming online to talk about it and heard "happen to ya" very distinctly, clearly, and without even giving it a second thought. I've now gone back to listen again and still don't quite understand what people are hearing. The words "ya" and "Island" are very different! I doubt so many people would have the same mis-hearing without warrant... so why the discrepancy I wonder!

This is indeed very strange. I did not think about this until I had read about it; however, when I went back and re-watched it, I did indeed hear "the island". What's more, I heard "the" with a long "e", which makes it even harder to mix up with "ya." Part of the confusion here, though, is that what I hear is "what's about to happen to the island, can't have you freakin' out", so the "i" from 'island is what you are hearing as "I" before the word "can't". but there is definitely something between "I" and "can't", and what I am hearing is "island." Check it out again!

Husband and I have seen this one part fifteen times. when I watch TV I have to use the Closed Captioning because people talk faster then I can keep up. So turn on your CC........BUT I will warn you ahead of time WE can clearly hear the word "island" being spoken, and it is NOT on CC. Spouse heard it and so did it. Look away from the TV and just listen.

VW" sycoo: How I feel after too darn many days!

Benny said...

someone on here earlier also mentioned having heard "what's going to happen to the Arab".

Since Keamy had just referred to Sayid as the Arab, not a bad choice either. Sounds more like "the island" too.

My personal thought after re-watching it again and again:

"In case you figure out what going to happen to ya, I... [heavy breathe]... I can't have you freaking out."
The repetition of "I" and Keamy's breating makes it sound like Island. Regardless, that what I now hear!

Gracie said...

Somebody or more than one person keeps saying things to the point of Sayid "being broken. Fix him." Doesn't everyone think that fixer to be Jack?
I think, and this is just my opinion, that we were never supposed to like him in the beginning. Who likes somebody who just runs around trying to fix everything. Not EVERYTHING can be fixed! They made his character just so anal about fixing stuff. It made me dislike him.
As for the jears and the beard? I think that goes to him losing his mind over coming back and not being able to FIX that. He knew he was going back to the island long before Locke/Bentham died. And it was killing him. He didn't have a choice.
Now I'm beginning to like him, but I feel he's going to be the last man standing as Jacobs replacement. Because he's the fixer. Somebody bad comes to the island and he'll fix it. Harm comes to the island, he'll fix it. It's been his way all along. It's what he does. I may be wrong, there's still time. But as of now, I think it's Jack. And he will fix Sayid, I hope.

Gracie said...

The woman known as Zoe and/or Liz Lemon is Sheila Kelley who IMHO is a disgrace to Lost. She is filthy beyond island dirt or beyond what we see on everyone else, and one of the worst actresses I've seen on this show. I think she even surpasses Nikki from Expose. Sorry Nikki Stafford. This woman is just plain ole Lost. Almost unforgiveable to bring in someone with this lack of talent to the final season of Lost.

Gracie said...

Joan Crawford said: "HA! Yay! I never thought I would be saying "Yay" about a TV character's sperm count but, there you have it." Only on this blog could have somebody typed that and not only have everyone else understand it but empathize. LOL

Anonymous said...

Gee, and I thought palatable meant 'tasty'.

Which is still Sayid, empty shell of a man and all.

What a shell!

Gracie said...

@EVERYBODY: I was just nosing around at ABC. And I found something else called 'Featured'(23). There's one called "The Beginning of the End." (Get there and scroll down.) It has stuff in it from next week with Widmore and Desmond. HAS EVERYONE SEEN THIS EXCEPT ME? Although I just did, I've never really paid attention to these before. The look on Desmonds face!!! OMG!! If looks could kill, Widmore would just fall over. Later he'll wish he had.

Gracie said...

And currently I'm rewatching "The Package" at ABC. If you do so, Jin definitely understands English. He just turns when the airport guy says you can exit over there. And if you follow the conversation at the desk when they check into the hotel, he (Jin) just jumps right in there with "two rooms". He definitely understands what's being said.

My word verification is ablegas. You guys should have a blast with that one! :)

Gracie said...

@Ambivalentman: There is an interview at this address with Lindeloff, I think it's him and not Cuse (the taller one), where he says Kate is IN FACT crossed off. He also stongly implies that Penny is coming back. Check it out!
http://tv.ign.com/dor/objects/821880/lost/videos/lost_paleyfest_ints_030110.html%7Cstated

Gracie said...

Somewhere along the way, somebody (sorry I can't quote you) said that the person selected to be The Candidate had already been decided although nobody, including The Candidate knows who it is yet.

I agree with you wholehearted. Therefore, before Locke leaves the island, he has to gather them all together to SEE which one cannot/will not leave. Then I foresee all hell is breaking loose. I still think the remainders are Jack, Hurley, Sawyer, TWO Kwons and Kate (yes I know she's crossed off), or ONE Kwon and ONE PILOT, FRANK.

Having said that, it completely defeats all my hopes that hope remains for Claire and Sayid. And that, my friends, would be a horrible way to end this show.

Gracie said...

@SonshineMusic i.e. Rebecca T. said...
@Joan: "Don't engage the Crazy"

I think you should make this the title of your tell-all memoir... I know I would buy it ;P

I KNOW I'd buy this one too. Anybody's guess if I could actually read it though. :)

Gracie said...

Donna S. Said: If Smokey needs all 6 candidates in order to be able to leave the island, and Ben was desperately trying to get all 6 to return to the island on the Ajira flight...does that mean that Ben was working for the MIB, not Jacob?

Ben did NOT get all six to return. In my sometimes faulty memory, Aaron, who did not return, was number six.

Gracie said...

@Donna S. said...
Okay, I don't know HOW many times I've typed in the "word verification" EXACTLY the way it's spelled, but then gotten an error message anyway! Every other time I try to post this happens! And I KNOW I'm typing it right!

Does this happen to you guys too?

Donna: this is the only blog I've ever been to that requires that WV, and I've only been signed in on here for like two days. (Sorry Nikki!!) But I find this to be the most irritating thing I personally have EVER run across on the Internet and yes it tells me I'm mispelling it almost every time. It's absolutely horrible!

Benny said...

@Gracie: I have to respectfully disagree with you. Ever since I saw Singles in my youth, I've loved Sheila's work.
In Lost, she plays the annoying scientist who thinks she's in charge and this brings me back to her Debbie Hunt, I think she plays right into the character everyone hates.

Gracie said...

@Kiki said...
Rainer said -- I absolutely agree that it makes no sense to have the island referenced by Keamy, and in this context, but I believe it is there, nonetheless.

To quote Nikki: WOW! I spoke on this earlier and said my husband and I clearly heard the island after watching just this scene at least 15 times. After all this discussion, and while watching it again on abc.com, I put on headphones and listened to it there. The COMPUTER version is completely different from what we hear on the TV. My husband did the headphones and agrees. It's NOT the same thing he says on our TV!

Gracie said...

HELP ANYBODY!?!?!

I've been trying to copy and paste to my Wordpad a list that somebody made that I thought was funny as hell, and for some stupid reason I cannot do it from this sight.
I'm trying to copy the NUMBERED list that somebody made of what defines palateableness in order from like my idea of Desmond to my idea of Mr. Paik.

Please would somebody e-mail that to me??

Thanks!!!

Gracie said...

@rainyday: For newer bloggers like me can you please explain this statement or at least who you are talking about? I'm assuming it's like an old joke.

The only glitch was Clark Smoke and Superghost in the same place at one time. Really, thank you!

Thanks,
Gracie

Gracie said...

@ EVERYONE: I just want to throw this out there and see what comes back or if anybody thinks it matters:
Two ABSOLUTELY dead bodies (that we know of) arrive at the island in coffins. One is Christian. One is John Locke. Both are seen here, there and everywhere, and are heard to speak to others. Only Locke was ever seen lying dead in the sand and eventually he WAS buried. We never saw the dead Christian anywhere did we? I mean dead-as-a-doorknob-lying-down-dead. Christian was never buried was he? If I have this correctly, they are so similar yet so far apart that it seems it really should matter. Are there any ABSOLUTES to put Christian with Jacob, MIB or Widmore? What are the ABSOLUTES that align Locke with Jacob, MIB and/or Widmore?

Anybody want to take this one on? I foresee myself with my face firmly planted in Nikki's FINDING LOST BOOKS all night long.

Gracie said...

@Rainier: So I was saying that yes, I think that fits the definition of "palateableness", even if that is not, strictly speaking, what Nikki meant. ;)

Thank you! :)~~~~~

Gracie said...

@Nikki Stafford said...
Gracie: I love the idea of the literal Adam and Eve. So if the two skeletons in the cave are Adam and Eve, then Jacob is actually Abel and the Man in Black is Cain. But Cain killed Abel, so I guess Jacob would be some sort of apparition?
OR, it's switched, and Jacob is Cain, killed Abel, and that's why Abel is now some angry apparition hell-bent on revenge.

Read carefully:

Cain and Abel are the first human beings to be born of human parents, and they're the first pair of siblings, the first brothers. They're also involved in the first murder. (That's a lot of firsts!) But there's great spiritual significance in the very first fully human episode in the Torah. The Torah teaches that the greatest human pleasure is nearness to God, and the proper perspective on life has God at the center. Viewed in this light, there's a vast difference between the symbolic offering of Cain with his rather lowly "fruit from the ground" and Abel's offering of "firstborn of his flocks." Torah commentators also explain that the occupation of shepherd symbolically represents a profession that allows for contemplation of God, whereas a tiller of land often becomes a worshipper of the earth and not God.
And as Spouse from Catholic Schools points out to me there were other siblings including the much-less-known-and-maybe-lowly Seth.
SO, maybe our cavedwellers Adam and Eve are in fact Adam and Eve. If not killed off at some point or at least buried together in death after killed by Cain, perhaps the highly unsuspicious Seth wanted to make a name for himself too. Or it could be that Jacob was the ruler of the rules, and MIB and Seth didn't like this. Perhaps the evil MIB is in fact Cain, but the not so evil or manipulative smoke is Seth? Just another thought to go with this one:

At another time after this one, I was POSITIVE that with the time traveling and hopping all around, that we were gonna learn that the two bodies in the cave were Aaron and Je Yion. The end of the lines as we know them. Desmond's Charlie would not count because DES is special.

Can you guys tell I've been thinking about this for a very long time? And reading Nikki's books of course. BTW: if you don't have those, you have NOT seen all of Lost. Be kind to yourselves and get them bought or ordered today!

Gracie said...

@redeem147 said...
Gee, and I thought palatable meant 'tasty'.
And I said: If I can get all of those men buck assed naked on my kitchen table, I can assure you that it WILL be palatable AND tasty. Unfortunately, with my current weight, they would probably kill me before I thoroughly enjoyed myself!!

Rainier said...

@ Gracie: After all this discussion, and while watching it again on abc.com, I put on headphones and listened to it there. The COMPUTER version is completely different from what we hear on the TV. My husband did the headphones and agrees. It's NOT the same thing he says on our TV!

Really? I have not watched it on the computer. How does it differ?

Regarding the difference between Locke & Christian: You are correct, we never saw Christian's body on the island so he was never buried. As far as I can tell, there are no absolutes to put Christian with anyone. The absolutes aligning Locke with Mib and NOT with Widmore are that Locke is the smoke monster, which is also MiB. And when Locke goes to see Widmore, it is clear that they are on opposite sides of the fence, so to speak. Also, SMocke tells Ben to kill Jacob; Jacob says to SMocke "I guess you found you loophole", which references an earlier conversation between Jacob & MiB, in which MiB says that he wants to kill Jacob, and will find a loophole eventually.

You are correct about those bloody Word Verfs!

WV: outfumn: When two people are getting angry at each other, and one is expressing it more vigorously.

Gracie said...

From Rainier
BY Gracie: After all this discussion, and while watching it again on abc.com, I put on headphones and listened to it there. The COMPUTER version is completely different from what we hear on the TV. My husband did the headphones and agrees. It's NOT the same thing he says on our TV!

From Rainier: Really? I have not watched it on the computer. How does it differ?

From Me: On our TV he says island clear as a bell. Especially if you look away, because looking at him, he's sort of mumbling and he has somewhat lazy mouth movements and features, for lack of a better explanation. But when we saw this the very first time back on Tuesday on the TV, both of us said, "What did he just say?" At the same time. So on the TV we have replayed and relistened and replayed again. There is clearly an "ISLAND". More importantly, before that there is the word "the" with a very long "e", as in HE or BEE. I wish I knew how to do italics on here. But in any case he DOES SAY THE ISLAND.
So tonight earlier when I graciously handed the Spouse a TV remote control he hasn't held in over a year, I just put headphones on and rewatched it on abc.com. Blew me away!!! Totally different sound, completely different sentence. Same muttering or mumbling. When I asked Spouse to give a listen during a TV commercial he said, and I quote Spouse directly, "He talks like he's got a mouth full of sh*t." And he does. But on abc.com you cannot hear the word island, and I have to wonder why it's so different? Also, and I did ask this earlier, why are the words we hear NOT in the Closed Captioning? What's the point?? Is there one? Is this an Easter Egg maybe?

Gracie said...

Rainier said: As far as I can tell, there are no absolutes to put Christian with anyone. The absolutes aligning Locke with Mib and NOT with Widmore are that Locke is the smoke monster, which is also MiB. And when Locke goes to see Widmore, it is clear that they are on opposite sides of the fence, so to speak. Also, SMocke tells Ben to kill Jacob; Jacob says to SMocke "I guess you found you loophole", which references an earlier conversation between Jacob & MiB, in which MiB says that he wants to kill Jacob, and will find a loophole eventually.

Then I am thinking: Wait we saw Christian at least twice with Locke, at least. Down at the FDW and in the cabin with Claire. Claire saw Christian. Jack saw Christian. Michael saw Christian. (God my head is just spinning trying to draw back on all this minute detail!!) Anyway, we've seen a walking, talking Christian that we knew to be dead. Who/What was it? Anybody know this yet for sure?
Then Locke:
Locke with Widmore = No. Not happening.
Locke with MIB = Yes.
Locke with Smokey = Yes, but I'm not convinced there aren't good Smokeys and bad Smokeys. Like tendrils used by different people for different things. BUT yes Locke is associated with Smokey.
Ben was sadly in the presence of Locke and, by virtue of, Smokey, but TO BEN IT WAS ALEX who told him to obey Locke!! Obviously, Locke or Smokey, but Ben didn't know that at the time. So that's a yes and no.
And yes, MIB said he'd find his loophole and he sure did.
Then Rainier said: You are correct about those bloody Word Verfs!

AND I SAID: THANK YOU!!!!!

Word Verification: iming. What my daughter spends too much time doing on her cell phone and her MySpace!!!

Gracie said...

YOOHOO!!! I GOT CAUGHT UP!! Even with that stupid word verification, I got caught up, and I think I may have actually asked some relatively intelligent questions. YAY!!
First night in months, Folks, that I have been completely unable to sleep, so apparently I'm around all night. Talk to me. Answer my questions.
GOD BLESS YOU NIKKI STAFFORD!!

Lisa(until further notice) said...

@Benny, because of your Debbie Hunt and Singles reference, I just watched it on Netflix. I have MUCH more appreciation for her as an actress now. Thanks...it was an enjoyable romp through the past.

Benny said...

@Lisa(ufn): I'm glad you have a better appreciation of the actress. As for how people feel about the character, meh, I did agree she was annoying :)

Rainier said...

@ Gracie: But on abc.com you cannot hear the word island, and I have to wonder why it's so different?

Strangely, I hear the same thing on abc.com that I do on the TV. And either place, he not-so-clearly says the (long e, you are right)island. Someone asked in a much earlier post if there are two different copies of this floating around out there. I'm starting to wonder that myself.

Regarding using italics, look below the comment window for html tags. Put the "i" (in carrots, no quotes, as below the window) in front of the text you want in italics; put "/i" in carrots after. It will not show up as italicized until after you post; until then you will only see the tags.

Blam said...



Joan: M-O-O-N, that spells Strong Willed Tomato!



Nikki: HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I have been WAITING all season to pull a MOON joke and now you beat me to it.

I am totally at a loss over what you-all are talking about.

rainyday: The only glitch was Clark Smoke and Superghost in the same place at one time. Really, thank you!

Gracie: For newer bloggers like me can you please explain this statement or at least who you are talking about? I'm assuming it's like an old joke.

Okay, I can explain this, and it's actually just from earlier in this admittedly long comments section. Some folks were having trouble reconciling how the appearance of Isabella's would-be spirit to Ricardo below deck on The Black Rock in "Ab Aeterno" could be a manifestation of Smokey, as it is presumed to be, when we heard and even saw Smokey billowing topside through the grate. I suggested that Smokey might be able to spin off manifestations at close range, based in part on my recollection of Alex emerging from Smokey to confront Ben last season, perhaps with tendrils still in existence connecting them invisibly. Rainyday used Clark Kent and Superman as a metaphor for Smokey in its big, swirling namesake form and the apparent ghost of Isabella.

VW: consi — How you confirm that you would like sour cream with your burrito in a Mexican restaurant.

Blam said...


Gracie, Rainier, et al.: I suspect, with no poking around online for verification, that (1) Keamy did not actually say "Island"; (2) the closed-captioning reflects what the actual dialogue was meant to be; and (3) there was enough of a hubbub about the fact that it sounded like the actor said "Island" that the dialogue was redubbed (possibly just from another take) for ABC's online video, and that this redubbed version will be the one shown in subsequent airings, including next week at 8 p.m.

VW: betoofsr — Father of Betoof Jr.

Blam said...



Ali: I would give 40-year-old Widmore a category 4.

Does he rock you like a hurricane?

VW: suminv — Sumin's great-great-great-grandchild.

Anonymous said...

I watched the episode on CTV when it first aired, and I never heard anything from Keamy about the Island. I heard exactly what the production is saying was said.

This may be the biggest mystery on Lost.

Rainier said...

@ Grace: I'm not convinced there aren't good Smokeys and bad Smokeys. Like tendrils used by different people for different things.

And when have we ever seen Smokey do anything good? Also, I think it has been established that Smokey=MiB.

Batcabbage said...

@Blam:

Joan: M-O-O-N, that spells Strong Willed Tomato!

Nikki: HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I have been WAITING all season to pull a MOON joke and now you beat me to it.

I am totally at a loss over what you-all are talking about.


The collective 'you all' was referring to the erstwhile Tom Cullen, a character in Stephen King's seminal The Stand. He is a mildly mentally challenged character that, after only completing third grade, often spells words out when making a point by spelling 'moon', and referring to other words that obviously don't spell moon. EG: "EM OH OH EN, that's spells 'something that doesn't spell 'MOON'". If you haven't read The Stand, which, I gather, you haven't, I urge you to do so. It's King's best work, and a book that I re-read often. Also, side note, Darlton (I think???) have said that when creating LOST, they just took The Stand and set it on an island. The character of Nick Andros (referenced in a previous post of mine on this discussion thread) is a deaf and dumb character in The Stand that communicates via a pen and pad, much like Sun at the end of 'The Package'.

Lisa(until further notice) said...

All you The Stand fans, it was just on Syfy yesterday. That was our family Easter viewing. Not the Ten Commandments like when I was a kid. 8 hours of Gary Sinese, Molly Ringwald and at least 7 of Rob Lowe as Nick. I'd never seen this mini-series before, but it was decent. Of course Stephen King did the teleplay and gave himself a small roll. I was appreciative of the timing with all of you talking about it so much. I hadn't read it since college, so it's been 20 to 25 years. I'd forgotten a lot of the details. I think I'll pick it up again when LOST is kaput.

Austin Gorton said...

@Batcabbage The character of Nick Andros (referenced in a previous post of mine on this discussion thread) is a deaf and dumb character in The Stand

To be fair to Nick, he's not deaf and dumb, but rather, a deaf mute that gets referred to as "deaf and dumb" by people who simply assume that because he's deaf and mute he's also dumb.

But I know Batcabbage knows that... ;)

Gracie said...

MOST OF YOU WITH YOUR SENSE OF HUMOR WILL LOVE THIS!! Just give me one second to lay it up.
So much for being unable to sleep Saturday night: I was GONZO by nine last night and now it's 10:58 a.m., and I've slept way too much again. Oh well, such is life right now.
Anyway, I've GOT to share this for all those out there who've commented on the BIG RED "V" during Lost last week. After all that sleep last night, I stumbled out to my chair just a little while ago and turned on the TV. Apparently daughter was watching "South Park" last night, so when I turned on the TV it was still on the same channel. The Comedy Channel. Now, I dont' watch The Colbert Report but this was pretty good.
The first thing I see when the TV comes on is a guy sitting at a desk with a picture of Hurley in the background. Under Hurley is the rundown on our favorite numbers. And then up springs another box to take Hurley's place that has the BIG RED V and under that it says THEY RETURN 0:59:59, and I'm not sure if this person is Colbert talking (wouldn't know him if I tripped on him), but I don't think he was any happier than we were about the countdown last week. I'm gonna pause the TV and type and try to tell you what he says. I just thought it was pretty well done. Here goes.
" Do you know how hard it is to focus on counting backwards? This is particularly disapppointing cause I LOVE countdowns. And last nights counter was the BEST! Right off the bat they grabbed me: 59:59. What does that mean? And then, SPOILER ALERT!! It went 59:58. And of course, as usual, my wife got up and left the room, and when she came back, I had to catch her up on everything she missed. How the fifties let to the forties, and then the thirties, and then OF COURSE, there were those TWO MINUTES that I missed during the commercial break!!!! (LMAO) WHAT HAPPENED??? Then toward the end I was worried the writers were just making it up as they went along, but I should have had more faith. Because AS USUAL they BLEW me away with a surprise ending. Right after ZERO, the show "V" CAME ON!!! I mean, WHO SAW THAT COMING???? I should check out that show sometime, let's find out when that's on!! Now, unfortunately.....unfortuately, the "V" countdown is NOT available on DVD yet. Good news though, it IS available on microwave ovens. We'll be right back." HAHAHAAHA LOVED IT!!
And other than some half-baked "mornin'" to my daughter which was more of a mumble than anything, THIS was the first thing I heard today!!
THEN I spent a half hour with Google telling me I don't know my password and cannot spell the WV correctly!

Gracie said...

@Benny: I did see your follow up comment to my comment yesterday regarding Sheila Kelley, but I do not see on here where my following comment posted. This is pretty much what I had said:
It may be that she is the character everyone hates, but I hope we can agree to disagree on this. Her acting is just deplorable. And I don't recall anyone ever being so dirty and lacking in hygiene. Even when Kate was really bad, she had the sense to jump in the ocean.

Are you sure you don't just have a boyhood crush? If not, please let's agree to disagree.

Didn't see where that ever posted and didn't want you to think I was ignoring you!

Gracie said...

Rainier said...
@ Gracie: But on abc.com you cannot hear the word island, and I have to wonder why it's so different?

Strangely, I hear the same thing on abc.com that I do on the TV. And either place, he not-so-clearly says the (long e, you are right)island. Someone asked in a much earlier post if there are two different copies of this floating around out there. I'm starting to wonder that myself.

THIS is stranger than strange. I KNOW half the time I think I'm losing my mind, but I went all over this Saturday (?) night with my husband (he agreed and he does not pacify me), and I just did it again. There have to be two versions of this, or at least two cuts making the rounds. And, frankly, I would really like to know why. I stand by my testimony that on MY TV you can hear him say ISLAND, but he does not say this the same way or sound remotely like ISLAND on abc.com. And my husband was right about another thing too. Why does Keamy always talk like he's got a mouth full of sh*t?

Gracie said...

@Blam: Okay, I can explain this, and it's actually just from earlier in this admittedly long comments section. Some folks were having trouble reconciling how the appearance of Isabella's would-be spirit to Ricardo below deck on The Black Rock in "Ab Aeterno" could be a manifestation of Smokey, as it is presumed to be, when we heard and even saw Smokey billowing topside through the grate. I suggested that Smokey might be able to spin off manifestations at close range, based in part on my recollection of Alex emerging from Smokey to confront Ben last season, perhaps with tendrils still in existence connecting them invisibly. Rainyday used Clark Kent and Superman as a metaphor for Smokey in its big, swirling namesake form and the apparent ghost of Isabella.

DUH! So, now that you typed all that and reminded me, I remembered reading that before, but wasn't that like uh, five years ago? LOL

Gracie said...

Darling Rainier: After all of your detailed description of the use of italics, I decided to give it a go. I got back some weird message about not being able to use the HTML or whatever because it wasn't closed, although it was exactly as you described. ALSO, let me add that whether you did it purposefully or inadvertently, your post had a / in it. See?
"put "/i" in carrots after" So just for gits and shiggles I decided to try that a couple times too. No go. As I've said numerous times, this is my first time at any Google Accounts page. Methinks it doesn't like me. Too bad. Their loss. Thank you anyway!

Austin Gorton said...

@Gracie: Maybe this will help (basically the same thing Rainier said, but worded a little differently).

To italicize, remove the spaces between these carrots < i > then add whatever text you want to italicize, and when you're done italicizing, remove the spaces between these carrots < /i >.

Be sure that the second set of carrots contains the slash in front of the i, or else you'll get that "tag cannot be closed" message.

You can also do the same thing, substituting a b for the i, to bold things in the comments.

Gracie said...

Rainier said...
@ Grace: I'm not convinced there aren't good Smokeys and bad Smokeys. Like tendrils used by different people for different things.

And when have we ever seen Smokey do anything good? Also, I think it has been established that Smokey=MiB.

Good GRIEF: I have no idea what time it was Saturday night/Sunday morning when I actually posted that, but MY BAD. I know what I was thinking, but this wasn't it. However people get there, like Eko's brother (sorry not gonna find it right now, no name), and last week when we had Isabella, sometimes it's a good thing. However Richard was able to "be" with Isabella last week while Hurley was there, my God that was a thing to behold. Even down below the ship when Richard was with her, it was a loving tender moment. I'm keeping in mind here that this could be MIB, but I'm also kinda wondering if MIB could have a Smokie doll, why can't Jacob have one too? Something like that, just don't have my head in place to figure that one out.
You guys will probably get used to this eventually. Sometimes my head is right where I want it to be, and I can think very clearly and give smart observations. Regarding Lost, at times, Spouse has just looked at me like I write the darn show!!! Other times (like Eko's brothers name which I know as well as anyone else), and there's just no connection there at all. I hope everyone will jump on a bandwagon to correct ANY outright stupidity, but expect that sometimes I am literally Lost. (No pun intended on that one.)

@TEEBORE: I will give it another go!

Gracie said...

And Teebore said:
then add whatever text you want to italicize, and when you're done italicizing, remove the spaces between these carrots < /i >.

Be sure that the second set of carrots contains the slash in front of the i, or else you'll get that "tag cannot be closed" message./i>

Gracie said...

Which didn't work either. I don't know why this page doesn't just send me a message saying we don't like you, go away. I can't even get a WV of less than seven letters anymore!

New WV is neumpuli. Sure, anytime!

Gracie said...

@Everyone: I haven't read The Stand in so long I amaze myself with what I remember about it. If you like to read, pick up a copy. Only book by King I ever liked better was, geez, can't remember the name. See how this happens? Anyway, no distress here. King fans will know it. It's a newer book about a woman whose husband dies and the name of it is (Her name) Story. I read that one, finished it, and started it over again in THE SAME DAY!

Gracie said...

In defense of myself: A carrot, in this case an opening carrot would look like the first part of an arrow pointing to the left. Closing carrot points to the right. Like a greater than sign. Or adversely a less than sign. You HAVE to put an i in there somewhere so it knows you want italics and not bold. Close up with another arrow. Then you type or copy whatever you want. THEN you have another carrot and a slash sign. This is followed by the closing end of the tag which would be the arrow type thing pointing to the right. And no spaces are required. Then if I wanted to preview this, I'm not gonna actually see it cause Rainier already told me that, so just go to Publish, and?

Gracie said...

OMG!!! I feel like I'm having a Sally Field moment!!!!! You like me? You REALLY LIKE ME??!??! That was just too stupidly difficult.


WV: diable: What I think Darlton is thinking of Sayid's character.

Gracie said...

Does this work too?

Gracie said...

and posted on the WRONG PAGE!

I notice I'm the only one posting. This is what it's like being in a chair. All the time in the world. You'd think (or I would have) that if you ever landed on your butt, you'd have all this time to get caught up on paperwork and gee, all the books you'd read. All the letters you should have written to whomever so long ago that you were just too lazy or stupid to get done. Balance your checkbook. Whatever. THEN you get here and you can't even do that. ALTHOUGH, and I'm not sure if I'm being facitious or what, but I sound better to me on here than I do in conversation, so I'm gonna stop talking to my family and just send e-mails. Maybe I'd be easier to understand. I hate how this room works, BUT I LOVE THE PEOPLE IN IT.

Rainier said...

@Gracie: Why does Keamy always talk like he's got a mouth full of sh*t?

Maybe it's because those Chiclets get in his way? But you are right. The man cannot e-nun-ci-ate! Someone, I think it was you, noted in a much earlier post that hr looks to have had a couple of (botched) plastic surgeries. If this is indeed the case, maybe there was some damage to his jaw or something that could not be completely repaired? Just a thought, from someone who has had a bit of facial reconstruction herself.

Benny said...

@Gracie: not at all. these disagreements are certainly common. Maybe it's a question of different exposure to her or something, but we can definitely agree on something.

Rainier said...

@Gracie Be sure that the second set of carrots contains the slash in front of the i, or else you'll get that "tag cannot be closed" message./i>

Since you left an "/i" at the end of that post, and then said it didn't work, I have to ask...are you enclosing both the "i" and the "/i" with carrots? I know that eons ago, when I first stared writing HTML code (I used to do web development), I had a tendency sometimes to do things like that.

Rainier said...

@ Gracie: However Richard was able to "be" with Isabella last week while Hurley was there, my God that was a thing to behold. Even down below the ship when Richard was with her, it was a loving tender moment.

The scene with Richard/Isabella/Hurley was indeed amazing and beautiful. The scene below decks, though, although it seemed loving and tender was probably just MiB/Somkey manipulating Richard. He does that. And he does it so well...

WV: kinesse - moving with finesse

Gracie said...

@Rainier: OMG!! My bad. I'm sorry. LOL RICLMAO=Rolling In Chair Laughing...
Rainier said...
@Gracie: Why does Keamy always talk like he's got a mouth full of sh*t?

Maybe it's because those Chiclets get in his way? But you are right. The man cannot e-nun-ci-ate! Someone, I think it was you, noted in a much earlier post that hr looks to have had a couple of (botched) plastic surgeries. If this is indeed the case, maybe there was some damage to his jaw or something that could not be completely repaired? Just a thought, from someone who has had a bit of facial reconstruction herself.

Me: I was actually in my inbox when that came through and I'm still laughing. Nobody commented on that, and I thought maybe I'd gone over the foul language thingie. The way that reads to me is so funny....so just like Spouse originally meant it too. I cannot stand people who cannot enunciate. It's a pet peeve. Why talk if nobody can understand you? Why pay an actor who cannot talk? He talks like he's got a handkerchief shoved in his mouth! I have three cats sitting on me right now trying to find out if I'm alright. One of them is on my head. Yeah, I am. Alright I mean.

And, yes, that was my question on the plastic surgery too. When I rewatched last episode, I thought "Well, he doesn't look so bad in this one, I guess." But the first time we saw him in the kitchen this season, with the eggs? He was so shiny, and he just looked fake. I couldn't figure it out, and Spouse was like, WTF? So thank you for also having noticed and FOR MY EXTENDED LAUGH OF THE DAY!

Gracie said...

Benny said...
@Gracie: not at all. these disagreements are certainly common. Maybe it's a question of different exposure to her or something, but we can definitely agree on something.
Benny I have so much to say about Lost and every other darn thing, that if you and I cannot find some small thing (MANY) to agree on, life is just too darn short. Sorry if that doesn't make sense, but Rainier has me in a tizzy right now.

Rainier said...

@ Gracie: I'm also kinda wondering if MIB could have a Smokie doll, why can't Jacob have one too? Something like that, just don't have my head in place to figure that one out.

I think you are asking whether Jacob can, like MiB via (presumably) Smokey, impersonate other people in order to interact with the other characters without them knowing who is actually behind it.

If so, this has one of two answers: 1) Jacob cannot do this, because he will not directly interfere with peoples' decision making process. Remember him telling Hurley that Jack had to work things out for himself? This seems to be a big difference between Jacob and MiB; MiB is willing and able to use impersonations of those close to the characters to manipulate them, while Jacob just "lets them look at the ocean for awhile" and come around to things on their own terms (or not at all, as when Ben killed Jacob.) 2) This is a bunch of BS, ad Jacob can and does impersonate other people in order to manipulate the characters into doing what he wants them to do.

I am not dismissing the latter possibility out of hand, because the writers of Lost love to mess with us so much. But it would be mightily inconsistent with what we have seen of Jacob, so I am betting on the first possibility.

Gracie said...

@Rainier: The scene with Richard/Isabella/Hurley was indeed amazing and beautiful. The scene below decks, though, although it seemed loving and tender was probably just MiB/Somkey manipulating Richard. He does that. And he does it so well...
Dang! I know, but I just want to believe Richard is gonna finally have something here. Of all of them, Richard should come out of this ahead. Followed very closely by Desmond.
And like I said, if MIB can have a ball of smoke to play with, why can't I have one too? Has that been proven? Is all smoke MIB's? Who made these rules and why do some of them seem so one sided?

Rainier said...

@ Gracie: Glad I could give you a laugh; laughter is one of the things that makes life most worth living. ;)

And the foul language thingie? Never a problem for me; I sound like a Marine about half the time. I just don't usually write that way. Dunno why. Come to think of it, even my speech has not been so bad lately as it used to be...

I dunno why anyone would hire an actor who can't speak. Seems like a basic job qualification to me, unless you want someone with a speech impediment for a particular effect.

But in fairness, in that scene, Keamy is really just sort of talking to talk. He believes that Jin cannot understand him (and I actually do not think that Jin does; else why would he not have understood what was happening at customs and worked it out with them?) So, in effect, Keamy is talking to himself. My old man does that all the time; usually he whispers so I catch a word here and there, just enough to occasionally drive me right off the deep end!

WV: stfued- still f.u.ed

Gracie said...

Rainier:I think you are asking whether Jacob can, like MiB via (presumably) Smokey, impersonate other people in order to interact with the other characters without them knowing who is actually behind it.

If so, this has one of two answers: 1) Jacob cannot do this, because he will not directly interfere with peoples' decision making process. Remember him telling Hurley that Jack had to work things out for himself? This seems to be a big difference between Jacob and MiB; MiB is willing and able to use impersonations of those close to the characters to manipulate them, while Jacob just "lets them look at the ocean for awhile" and come around to things on their own terms (or not at all, as when Ben killed Jacob.) 2) This is a bunch of BS, ad Jacob can and does impersonate other people in order to manipulate the characters into doing what he wants them to do.

Me: Ok, I'm following you and to an extent, I agree. Still laughing here so work with me ok? I got the whole Jacob crap about no interfering, (he also hired, more or less, Richard to be his stand in), and I know what he SAYS, but just because he doesn't want to, does that mean he CAN'T and never does? I don't think we KNOW that yet.

Rainier said...

@ Gracie: I just want to believe Richard is gonna finally have something here. Of all of them, Richard should come out of this ahead. Followed very closely by Desmond.

Agreed! But I think that the scene with Isabella & Hurley was real (ie, was really Isabella). Hurley is able to speak to and for the dead Which is pretty damned cool! And Richard was, at least for that moment, able to be with her. which, after all that time, has got to be huge for him.

And Desmond had come out exactly where he wanted to be, until that old bastard Widmore had to go & screw it all up. (maybe with the assistance of Eloise).

Gracie said...

@Rainier:
@ Gracie: Glad I could give you a laugh; laughter is one of the things that makes life most worth living. ;)
Me: My Spouse walked in on the middle of that with the cats all over me too. Tears on my face, laughing like crazy. Look on his face was priceless. Haven't seen that look in way too long. Acually, I'm sitting here smiling like the cat that ate the canary and he just can't figure out what's up. You said that SO like him that it was just hilarious on my end. THANKS AGAIN! ;)

Rainier said...

@ Gracie: Is all smoke MIB's? Who made these rules and why do some of them seem so one sided?

Well, I think it's because Jacob is more of a believer in free will than MiB is. It's kind of like God and Satan in Christianity; God is nearly always hands-off, let people save or damn themselves by their choices, where Satan is about deception, seduction, and pulling people in any way he can. One interpretation of how good/evil, light/dark works. (Another example comes from that perennial fave of the Lost writers, Star Wars, in which the Dark Side is seen as not more powerful, but seductive and in some ways the easier path.)

Gracie said...

Rainier: COME ON. YOU'RE KILLING ME HERE!
Rainier: WV: stfued- still f.u.ed
Spouse thinks I'm done and it's time to turn off the oven.

Rainier said...

@ Gracie: just because he doesn't want to, does that mean he CAN'T and never does? I don't think we KNOW that yet.

No, I don't think we do either - but I think it might define the difference between them. This is not about ability, but about choice, which is often (in life as in literature) the difference between right and wrong, good and evil.

Rainier said...

@ Gracie: Rainier: COME ON. YOU'RE KILLING ME HERE!
Rainier: WV: stfued- still f.u.ed
Spouse thinks I'm done and it's time to turn off the oven.


See? Now you've got me laughing right along with you.

WV: inate - something that just comes naturally

Gracie said...

@Rainier: Gee so much to comment on.
Rainier: And the foul language thingie? Never a problem for me; I sound like a Marine about half the time. I just don't usually write that way. Dunno why. Come to think of it, even my speech has not been so bad lately as it used to be...

Me: Me too. But I try to keep in mind that the way I feel free to speak is not always the same thing that people wanna hear.

Rainier: I dunno why anyone would hire an actor who can't speak. Seems like a basic job qualification to me, unless you want someone with a speech impediment for a particular effect.

Me: Isn't that the dumbest thing? He mumbles everything he's said. I've never seen this actor before because I usually don't watch TV, but does he ALWAYS talk like that? I have to admit and I hate it, but our daughter tends to mumble at times, (well, so does my husband at times but not as often), and it's like speak up and enunciate or shut up! It's irritating no matter who does it. So we're gonna pay actors to do this now too?

Rainier: But in fairness, in that scene, Keamy is really just sort of talking to talk. He believes that Jin cannot understand him (and I actually do not think that Jin does; else why would he not have understood what was happening at customs and worked it out with them?) So, in effect, Keamy is talking to himself. My old man does that all the time; usually he whispers so I catch a word here and there, just enough to occasionally drive me right off the deep end!

Me: Okay, here we disagree. Remember back to season one when Sun knew exactly what was going on, but she said nothing?? Times were, at times, pretty hairy, but she kept her mouth shut. I think Jin is doing the same thing. I have another post on here somewhere where I explain exactly why I think he understands. He just doesn't want anyone to know he does. And that's a good cover.

Gracie said...

Rainier said...
@ Gracie: just because he doesn't want to, does that mean he CAN'T and never does? I don't think we KNOW that yet.

No, I don't think we do either - but I think it might define the difference between them. This is not about ability, but about choice, which is often (in life as in literature) the difference between right and wrong, good and evil.

Me: Ouchie. Methinks you got me there.

Spouse who knows I haven't had a smoke in like ten days asked me if I smoked today. I think he's trying to find out WHAT, not IF, I've been smoking. Incidently, the answer to either/or is NO.

Gracie said...

Rainier: I don't remember which page I put it on, but did you see my post on "The Colbert Report"? If not, go read it, and tell me if you think that's funny. Honestly, please. Just do a search for The Colbert Report. Should be easy to find.

VW: deprari: Where Laura Ingalls grew up?

Rainier said...

@ Gracie: Okay, here we disagree. Remember back to season one when Sun knew exactly what was going on, but she said nothing?? Times were, at times, pretty hairy, but she kept her mouth shut. I think Jin is doing the same thing. I have another post on here somewhere where I explain exactly why I think he understands. He just doesn't want anyone to know he does. And that's a good cover.

I agree that it kind of looks like he is following sometimes; there is one instance (I think you mentioned it) where it really looks like he knows what has just been said. But couldn't this be another example of 'bleedthrough' from the island reality?

In season 1, Sun had a good reason to hide her understanding from Jin. Hard to imagine why this would cut the other way in the AU.

Gracie said...

@Everyone: Okay this is gonna be on both pages, but I really wanna know the answer to this one, so I'm throwing it out there to everyone.

Gracie said...
@Anyone, but mainly Blam who said: I'm all for a BTVS rewatch when Lost is over. I broached the subject on my blog a while back (and I think again here or on the Rewatch site); it got a chorus of yeas from some fellow Nik at Nite regulars.

Me: And confession time for me. This is gonna hurt cause I can already hear everyone yelling at me.
Ok, I was already on here reading but not commenting (didn't work) when you guys did the Season Five rewatch. And I couldn't figure out where you were doing that or HOW. I must've had Spouse and Child read fifty posts trying to figure out where you were actually GOING TO SEE the rewatch, and they didn't know. (I'm not sure they cared OVERLY. They're busy. They have lives.) I know they would have loved to help me, but it wasn't chronic, so I didn't beg. BUT if we're gonna do a BTVS rewatch, I gotta know how that's done and where to go to see it. It was like knowing the whole gang was going to the drive-thru Friday night, but I didn't know which one or how to get there!
Anyone? Nikki?

Rainier said...

@ Gracie: I did indeed see your post on the Colbert Report - I had already seen it (redirect from another site), and I agree that it was funny. really, really funny, especially since I had spent half of Lost fuming at that damned 'V' countdown! (especially when it was covering Sun's cards. Grrrrrrr...

Gracie said...

Are we allowed to play games on here? I think we are cause I've seen nothing to say we can't so if you want, play along or correct me. (Especially tell me if I'm not supposed to do this!) The game is like this: who are they, what side are they on, where SHOULD they be, and anything else Lost related? MOST IMPORTANT: Who is left on this island including Hydra? For example, I'm trying to figure out who is actually left on this island, where they are right now, where we are supposed to think they belong, or where they actually do belong. Right now we seem to have three teams. I will call them, for lack of better names, Team Widmore, Team MIB/Locke, and, because I like it and they've been talking, Team Jacob/Hurley.
On Team Widmore I have:
Widmore: Not sure where he belongs because nothing about him is really clear except greed and self-aggrandizement (sp?). BUT he does NOT belong on team MIB/Locke. That would put him with Ben on Team Jacob/Hurely, IF he had to choose, and that would be an entire story in itself.
With Widmore we have an Army of unknown numbers. (Team Widmore)
Liz Lemon. (Team Widmore)
Jin. (He's with Widmore, but belongs with Sun, wherever that is, as far as we know.) Did not WANT to be a member of MIB/Locke which would put him on Team Jacob/Hurley, BUT Widmore might have scored points with him due to Ji Yeon pics.
Sayid. Also with Widmore, but appears to be definitely MIB/Locke.
Desmond. With Widmore, but of the three, I'd put him with Team Jacob/Hurley cause I think he'd go there if he had to choose. (Comments and complaints are welcome.)
Also on Team Widmore and COULD BE VERY IMPORTANT: Pilot of the submarine, whomever that may be.
I feel like I'm missing somebody from this team. Play along and remind me.
Team Two coming up.

Gracie said...

Team Two: Jacob/Hurley Team.
Jacob, or whatever remains of Jacob including whatever is advising, for lack of a better word, Hurley.
Hurley. Belongs with Jacob.
Ilana. Belongs with Jacob.
Ben. Who the hell knows, but I'll go with belongs with Jacob. He used to be able to hook up with Smokey, but methinks those days are long gone. Also, I would think his relationship with Locke is TOAST. Same for Widmore.
Miles. Mentally cannot put him anywhere but Team Jacob/Hurley.
Sun. Not MIB/Locke, no way. Although there's history with Widmore, I think she belongs with this team too. Could she possibly join up with Team Widmore if that meant being with Jin? Hmm?
Frank. A very important player as pilot of the airplane. Currently with Team Jacob/Hurley, and I'm gonna leave him there. Seems to be where he wants to be.
Richard. Thinking. Thinking. No I don't see him going back to MIB/Locke now, not after Isabella. And I truly cannot recall what his relationship was like back in the day with Widmore, or if he even had one. Seems to be where he belongs, but could be a wildcard.
Jack. I have a real hard time with him. Can't put him with Widmore and I'll never get a mental on him back with Locke, so he is where he belongs for now. BUT I see him as a wildcard. Jack is the one player I can literally see doing anything at any time and it's gonna be completely unexpected to the viewers if/when it happens.
Seems like I'm missing somebody over here too.
Team Three to follow.

Batcabbage said...

@Teebore: I was not in any way using the word 'dumb' to note a lack of intelligence, but in the sense of 'lacking speech'. An outdated term, to be sure, and I apologise if I have offended. To be honest, I'd never thought of where that term had come from. I just assumed that it was another word for 'mute', and never thought it referred to the perceived lack of intelligence of someone who was mute. After all, a person said to be 'struck dumb' isn't suddenly overcome with a lack of cognitive facilities - they just can't think of anything to say. :) I'll choose my words better next time.

Gracie said...

Team Three: MIB/Locke
MIB. Basically owns the team.
Locke. Belongs there in every sense of the meaning IMHO.
Smokey. As far as we know, he goes with MIB only. But I still have a inkling that if MIB can have a Smokey ball to play with, why can't Jacob have one too?
Team MIB/Locke has an Army made up of an unknown number of leftover Others and people from the Temple, and for the sake of argument, I'm just gonna put Cindy, Zak and Emma right here with the Army so they are accounted for.
Claire. Seems to belong (hope I'm wrong).
Sawyer. Definitely a wildcard. Does not belong where he is, I don't think. Doesn't even want to be there. I don't think he wants to be on Team Widmore. He had the opportunity to go back to the temple, OR to go find the remainder from the plane, but has stayed with MIB/Locke. He's definitely on Team Sawyer, but since that's not a team, I don't know where to put him. (Anybody?)
Kate. Another one. Why is she there? Sawyer? Not too sure that's the only reason. Can't see her with Team Widmore. Seems to me she actually belongs on Team Jacob/Hurley, but she's not there YET. Anybody can probably convince me of anything with this one.
And Spouse and I are all out of people on this team. Is that right? Jin is not here. Sayid is not here. Is that everybody? Of course, when you have Smokey on your team, you have a real fine team, but is that all the players?
Hmmmmm?? It's out there folks. Correct it wherever I'm wrong. Spouse says there is also a Team Four. Oh boy. But he's right. There are a bunch of important people who we think are gonna be big players or could be, who are not yet where they should be. I haven't given this much thought, but among them are:
Eloise. She's not done yet. I'm gonna include with her anybody associated with The Lamp Post.
Penny. She's Desmond's constant.
Three people all mentioned by name associated with the meat store. Was it "Jan" who gave Jack the key to the van? Also with her were two men with names. We didn't see them, but they were named.
And, for now, I'm gonna stick Aaron and Ji Yeon on here too.
For what it's worth, there is still a very dead Christian running around talking on the Island. Appears to go with Team MIB/Locke, but we haven't seen him lately, and it never showed him FINALLY dead.
That's it for me. Bath time.

Gracie said...

Smell better now. But, oh, did I have a wowzer thought in the bathtub!! I forgot some peoples. Some very important peoples. Peoples who don't, and don't want to, belong anywhere. And they don't want to LEAVE THE ISLAND. Yepper. Rose, Bernard and Vincent. So why make them leave? Make them the replacements for Jacob. Why not three (two and a dog, ok!)? If two is better than one, what does that make three? Hmmm!!

Rainier said...

@ Gracie: I think Eloise is in Cahoots with Widmore. Mainly this is because she told Desmond "The island isn't finished with you yet," and then showed up at the hospital shortly before (we are led to believe) Widmore abducted Desmond from said hospital. Plus, they had a kid together, whom they both sent back to the island! (Yeah, Eloise raised Daniel herself & he never knew his son, and also Eloise was unhappy with Widmore about the whole sending-Dan-back-to-die thing at the time, but maybe they got past all that somehow.)

Gracie said...

Rainier said...
@ Gracie: I think Eloise is in Cahoots with Widmore. Mainly this is because she told Desmond "The island isn't finished with you yet," and then showed up at the hospital shortly before (we are led to believe) Widmore abducted Desmond from said hospital. Plus, they had a kid together, whom they both sent back to the island! (Yeah, Eloise raised Daniel herself & he never knew his son, and also Eloise was unhappy with Widmore about the whole sending-Dan-back-to-die thing at the time, but maybe they got past all that somehow.)
Me: I couldn't agree without you more about some things. Eloise is in this so deeply, it hurts my head to think about it. My questions to Spouse used to always be: if you don't age there, why would she ever want to leave? (Although that's mostly attributed to Richard, Jacob and MIB don't age either!) What was in it for HER? AND she used to be the leader of the Others? But as for where she belongs now, I just don't know. There are, and always will be, connections to Widmore. But she is so angry!! Seems she always needed a more complete back story. And then to lose her son like that?! At times, it seems her current connections to Widmore are more along the lines of waiting for revenge. I don't know where to put her on Teams, but I think she is one of the biggest pieces of the end of this show. She may be the biggest piece.

Gracie said...

I had a post earlier where I couldn't remember the name of a Stephen King book. But I knew it was a woman's name followed by the word "Story" as in Gracie's Story. If anyone is interested, that would be "Lisey's Story". Definitely a good tale.
And I'm trying the italics again just cause it worked only once today, and I want to see if I can actually do it again. :)

Gracie said...

So I'm curious now, what does the "a" do?

Gracie said...

@Anybody: Why does the "a" underline? Usually that's the "u" key. And where do you go to get a list of all these little short cuts online?

Rainier said...

@ Gracie: I forgot some peoples. Some very important peoples. Peoples who don't, and don't want to, belong anywhere. And they don't want to LEAVE THE ISLAND. Yepper. Rose, Bernard and Vincent. So why make them leave? Make them the replacements for Jacob. Why not three (two and a dog, ok!)? If two is better than one, what does that make three? Hmmm!!

But Rose & Bernard are retired. (So am I. I was tired earlier, got all energetic for a bit, now I'm re-tired.) Anyway, they don't seem to have any interest in the happenings on the island whatsoever; they just want to be left the hell alone to enjoy life and each other's company. They'd be great if they could be drafted, but I don't see it happening.

I miss them. They are some of my favorite characters. Vincent included, because I am very much a 'dog person.' I understand we have not yet seen the last of them, and I'm sure looking forward to their return.

Rainier said...

@ Gracie: In regards to 'teams': Sayid. Also with Widmore, but appears to be definitely MIB/Locke.

I would not count Sayid as being 'with' Widmore - he is just spying on those folk right now.

Gracie said...

Rainier said: But Rose & Bernard are retired. (So am I. I was tired earlier, got all energetic for a bit, now I'm re-tired.) Anyway, they don't seem to have any interest in the happenings on the island whatsoever; they just want to be left the hell alone to enjoy life and each other's company. They'd be great if they could be drafted, but I don't see it happening.

I miss them. They are some of my favorite characters. Vincent included, because I am very much a 'dog person.' I understand we have not yet seen the last of them, and I'm sure looking forward to their return.

Me: I miss them too. All three of them. I think what I was thinking of was something like if the offering of young age was made in return for taking care of the island, would they take it? They've never come up as Candidates, but who cares? They would be perfect to just stay there and enjoy everything the island offers that they always wanted, live and love forever, and tend to the homestead all at the same time. From Jacobs point of view, why wouldn't you look at someone who frankly doesn't want to leave? Sounds logical.

Gracie said...

Rainier said...
@ Gracie: In regards to 'teams': Sayid. Also with Widmore, but appears to be definitely MIB/Locke.

I would not count Sayid as being 'with' Widmore - he is just spying on those folk right now.

Thank you for the clarification. I thought I said just that, but as I reread it, I know what you mean. In positioning, Sayid is currently with Widmore, but for all intents and purposes, he appears to be on Team MIB/Locke. That's what I meant.

Seems to me I've missed some people all over the place. Did I actually name everyone still in the game on some Team, even if only to include them in what is loosely called Team Four? I feel like I left a bunch out.

Gracie said...

@EVERYONE: Earlier today I posted something where I could not for the life of me remember Mr. Eko's brothers name. I believe I was referring to Yemi.

Pardon these lapses while my two remaining brain cells are either arguing or kissing and making up. It happens. Of course, they could be sleeping too. :)

Blam said...


Batcabbage: Nope, I haven't read The Stand. I've actually read remarkably little Stephen King for someone of my age and interests. Most of the Stand-referencing comments have been obvious and I've skipped over them as either nonsense or spoilage ('cause I do want to read the book), if not both, but the whole M-O-O-N thing was just "Huh?".

VW: Dannick — Danica Patrick's name at high speed.

Rainier said...

@ Gracie: In your team lists, I think you missed one more - Walt. I am not sure how he fits, but can they really be done with him?

Rebecca T. said...

@Gracie: in response to your question about the rewatch - we just all watched the episodes on our own and then got together to talk about them (kind of like we do here on each episode as it airs.)

Does that answer your question? So if we did a BVS rewatch Nikki or someone would set up some sort of schedule and then we would watch, say 2 episodes during the week and then on a specific day get together online to talk about it.

Does that make sense?

Blam said...


Rainier: I think it's because Jacob is more of a believer in free will than MiB is. It's kind of like God and Satan in Christianity; God is nearly always hands-off, let people save or damn themselves by their choices, where Satan is about deception, seduction, and pulling people in any way he can.

This was driven home on last week's Supernatural (my favorite show on television right now; Lost gives me too much agita). As I and others have pointed out here before, by the way, Mark Pelligrino (Jacob) plays Lucifer's human host on the series, and Titus Welliver (MIB) has appeared as the personification of War, one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

Gracie: deprari: Where Laura Ingalls grew up?

Nice one!

Gracie: if we're gonna do a BTVS rewatch, I gotta know how that's done and where to go to see it.

The Lost rewatch was hosted by Nikki on another blog, frequently linked to from this one. Everyone was on their own in terms of watching the episodes (at the ABC website or via DVDs that they owned, rented, or borrowed from the library) in sync with the schedule for discussing them that Nikki posted. Presumably a BTVS rewatch would be done at a slower pace since there's no time crunch like with Lost (Season 8 was coming); I'd love to do it, but since many of us already have more TV than we can keep up with my hope and expectation is for no more than one episode a week whenever we get it off the ground. Nikki may want to launch another blog for that; she might not.

VW: distra — Expression often used by easily confused or inattentive people. ex. "Sorry I couldn't talk before; I was distra... What was that?"
[This is an actual repeat verification word (the first that I've ever noticed), so I used my old definition.]

Blam said...


Batcabbage: @Teebore: I was not in any way using the word 'dumb' to note a lack of intelligence, but in the sense of 'lacking speech'. An outdated term, to be sure, and I apologise if I have offended. To be honest, I'd never thought of where that term had come from. I just assumed that it was another word for 'mute', and never thought it referred to the perceived lack of intelligence of someone who was mute.

I'm not a member of the deaf or mute communities, so I can't speak to whether "dumb" is considered an offensive term for "mute" — one would think so, I suppose, since whether or not the original connotation was meant to be "stupid" many folks couldn't help but make that association. The usage in The Stand, however, like elsewhere, was probably meant synonymically to "mute" (offensively or otherwise), and not directly in the sense of "dumb" as "stupid". I've heard it used that way my whole life, e.g., "That deaf, dumb and blind kid / Sure plays a mean pinball."

Rainier: @ Gracie: I think Eloise is in Cahoots with Widmore.

Is Cahoots the submarine?

Gracie: @Anybody: Why does the "a" underline? Usually that's the "u" key. And where do you go to get a list of all these little short cuts online?

I'm afraid that the underlining that results from using the "a" with carets (not carrots, folks; sorry) is simply a byproduct of the intended hyperlinking that also turns the relevant text blue; however, if you don't use the "a" tags properly all you get is underlined, blue text.

For instance, to create this link to Nikki's Lost Rewatch blog, whose URL is http://lost-rewatch.blogspot.com/, here's what I typed (excepts with carets instead of the brackets):
[a href ="http://lost-rewatch.blogspot.com/"]this link to Nikki's [i]Lost[/i] Rewatch blog[/a]

The info is out there if you have the time, energy, patience, and focus to Google it up, which I understand can be a big if.

VW: fendamal — A bad dent on the side of your vehicle.

Blam said...


Me: Season 8 was coming

Of course, I meant "Season 6 was coming". Maybe I had Buffy Season 8 on the brain.

VW: elerip — The only legible letters left on Eleanor Rigby's tombstone.

Rebecca T. said...
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Rebecca T. said...

Okay, first attempt failed, deleted. Let's try that again.

@Blam: Thank you for that little tutorial I have been trying to figure out how to do the linky thing. I see people doing it, but haven't been successful myself yet. Hmmm... testing it here - let's see if it works.

This cool linky dink here will take you to my blog.

Rebecca T. said...

Yeah! Learn something new every day. Now I must get some sleep!

VW: entsma - the female parent of the tree shepherds in LOTR

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