Well, after much ado, I’ve finally seen the episode (well, almost.... it cut out about 2 minutes before the end... if anyone could email me off the list and tell me what happens after Jacob tells Hurley that it’s too late to save the people at the Temple, that would be awesome). But it’s really late now, so let me just make this a quick one, since I’m sure many of you have already posted some great stuff on it. I do have to ask, though... are there any Japanese readers out there who could help me out with the translation of what Dogen says that’s not subtitled?
Highlights:
• Hurley facing off against Dogen: “I’m a big fan of temples... and history. Indiana Jones stuff.”
• “I just lied to a Samurai.” LOL!
• Hurley saying that Jacob just turns up whenever he wants, like Obi Wan Kenobi.
• Dude from Degrassi isn’t dead!! Oh... wait. Never mind.
• Adam and Eve!!!!!!!! I literally stopped breathing for a second when they came on the screen. I thought this... is... it... and then it wasn’t. I loved Hurley asking if the skeletons are them. Which probably means they’re not.
• I’m using my husband’s laptop and I just noticed he has this screen set at 108% zoom. WHOA.
• Hurley recalling season 1: “You and me... trekking through the jungle searching for something we don’t understand. Good times.”
• “Doesn’t say anything on your arm about the door being jammed?” HAHA!
• “Mission unaccomplished!”
Did You Notice?
• Jack suddenly seems interested in that appendix, like he’s had another flash of the other reality where it came out more recently.
• His son’s name is David, like King David in the Bible, who wrote the Psalms.
• Miles and Hurley have gone from Risk to Tic Tac Toe. Hahaha!
• David loves the Red Sox as much as his grandpa didn’t believe in them. Maybe he does it just to piss off Dad.
• The Annotated Alice: Jack says he read it to David, and we saw him reading it to Aaron when he was living with Kate.
• Claire isn’t just kinda crazy... she’s totally batshit bonkers creepy-skeleton-head-baby-lovin’ super crazy.
• Did anyone else hear Bono start singing when Kate told Jack that she hopes he finds what he’s looking for?
• Just like last week’s episode referenced 1.04 (Walkabout), this one references 1.05 (White Rabbit), the episode where Jack found the caves and smashed the coffin.
• Jack found the key under the rabbit, just like Miles reached under a rabbit in “Some Like It Hoth” to get into that apartment with the dead man when he was a kid.
• I noticed the house was #21, and it made me wonder if the numbers are NOT in this reality? Has anyone seen any of the numbers in this one? They seem to be always off by one or two.
• So... maybe that reunion between Claire and Kate WON’T be a happy one?
• David plays Chopin, which is what young Daniel was playing when his mom told him about his destiny.
• The screen I was watching on was heavily pixelated (hence I’m not pointing out a lot of minute details, like those names on the dial that I would LOVE to see) but that kid who asked Jack if David was his son looked a lot like young Daniel... but presumably he wasn’t if Dogen is his father.
• The mirror in the lighthouse is a reference to Alice, once again.
• Hurley says Jack’s going to have 7 years of bad luck, but he smashed 4 mirrors, so that’s more like 28 years.
• Jack wanted David to play piano, and if you recall in New Otherton he was playing piano, too, as if he never got that good and wanted the best for his son.
• Jack rights the wrongs of his son in a way that his father never did with him.
• It’s interesting that in the AU we see a lot of happy endings. Claire will keep Aaron after all, Locke has his happy ending, and now Jack gets his.
• Jacob says that Jack is here because he has to do something, and that he needs to look at the ocean for a while... Locke looked at the ocean for a long time before he sensed his destiny on the island. We also saw the Man in Black staring at the ocean when he returned looking like Locke.
Any Questions?
• Who’s coming to the island?
• Why didn’t Jin speak up earlier when Claire was freaking out about BLT having her baby? He knew Aaron had him, so why not say something right away?
• Who is Claire’s other friend in the jungle?
• What’s Dogen doing in this other reality? If the island went boom in 1977 does that mean he never went there? Or is he the island’s backup system to get people to it? It’s interesting that he says, “It’s hard to watch and be unable to help” like that’s a comment on the show.
• Who do you think is David's mom? Is it Sarah and she just was too busy with Modern Family to appear? Or could it be someone else?
I found these when I was looking for a pic to post with this:
My original post:
So, as some of you know, I'm at a resort in Mexico. We made sure they had satellite TV in the rooms (even called, and they assured us it was) and when we got here, they just had cable in the rooms. So we spent a couple of days asking around, especially since they were broadcasting the Olympics in the games room so they must have cable somewhere. Finally someone told us they had satellite in the main lobby, but just cable in the rooms. So we asked if it was possible to get a TV somewhere in the main building for 8pm on Tuesday night to watch Lost. They didn't seem to understand my urgency ("You WRITE about TV? What do you mean?") and every time we started to get somewhere with one person ("Oh yes, you could use the manager's office for an hour") we'd lose it with the next ("I suggest you bribe the DJ in the games room, but if other people are watching sports you probably won't get anywhere").
So I posted an urgent request, and Barry, the guy who designed my new cover, gave me access to his Slingbox. We tested it out, it worked perfectly. At 8pm (it's an hour earlier here) I was watching my daughter on stage with her new little friends hitting at a pinata they'd made that day, while the program was paused back at the hotel room. I got back there a few minutes later and sat down with pen and paper (my husband had taken the kids somewhere else) and the first five minutes were great... and then the internet conked out. Everything saved was gone, and it went back up for about 3 minutes after that and then went out completely. Repeated calls to the front desk told me that someone was coming up to fix it... and then he wasn't... and then he was... and then he was gone for the night. I went down to the concierge at our building and asked her if she had the internet and she said no (her colleague's computer was there and you could see the ethernet cord running right into it) but that I could go to the business center. So I ran back up to the room, grabbed everything, and ran to the business center, put the computer in, and checked my email. There was one from Barry saying he was going to bed at 11 and he could run the episode again, no problem, if I contacted him before then. It was 2 minutes to 11. ACK! I sent him a quick email and didn't hear back, so he definitely went to bed right on time! :)
I've never worked so hard to watch an episode. Another friend assured me the other day he'd upload it for me, but I've emailed him and haven't heard back and it doesn't seem to have been uploaded, so no matter what I've done, I can't get this episode. So... no post after all. :( And I've emailed the Globe and Mail to say I probably can't do the chat tomorrow since nothing is working for me.
But, I don't want to stop the rest of you from discussing it, so the floor is open. Discuss away! I look forward to coming back on Thursday and actually watching the episode and posting something and then reading everything you guys have to say. Sorry about this... I've tried absolutely everything, but unfortunately at this resort, things work when they want to, and just poop out every other time. I hope the ep was a good one!
243 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 243 of 243@Joan Crawford , @Karolyn, @Lisa(until further notice) re: Ack - I spit out every time. What’s great is she is just as much a fangirl/boy as the rest of us. “Don’t tell me what I can’t shampoo!”
@Anonymous / Tim Alan – I am not sure about the candidates (there are a lot of names on that dial) but I think one reason Claire didn’t time travel is because she is/was dead. Like Charlotte, once she was dead, she was no longer susceptible to the time travelling. Sun was the one not-dead Lostie that didn’t. I am hoping they will explain that, but I have a feeling they will not.
@LJV – I’ve been waiting for you! I asked about Vincent on your behalf about 100 comments ago….
At first I thought that Jin was just covering his own @ss at the end, when he was lying. But did anyone else notice how he "lied" and said that Aaron WAS at the temple AFTER he took a sip of the drink that Claire brought him? Does anyone else think that it's possible that Claire put "the infection" or whatever it is into the water (she was shown boiling something earlier in the episode) and Jin actually BELIEVES what he is saying at the end? I know it might be a stretch, but I think it's very interesting and it would be an extremely subtle way for the writers to sneak the infection into Jin without letting the audience know.
@Matt- And the only thing that really stuck out was when Locke-Dressed Monster crossed out 4 Locke on the wall. I thought it was odd, since if it was Jacob's list...it wouldn't make any sense for him to go out of his way to cross off Locke. Just an odd gesture for him to do.
He also found the chalk way to easy on the ground. That's what got me.
Can't get crazy Claire out of my mind. You know what really breaks my heart? Charlie died for her. He died thinking his sacrifice would ensure that Claire and Aaron would be rescued. How sad must he be if he can see her now? Sigh.
What are all those little pin holes in the dial in the lighthouse? They occurred after the names were written. Was someone picking names by throwing darts at it?
Each mirror covered about 20 degrees of arc on the dial for a total of at least 80. How could they all focus on the same far away object?
Wow! So many comments since I was here 2 days ago. I have a lot of comments myself, but I don't want to repeat too much of what has already been said; so I'll read through those that have been made before I add anything. I hope you guys have left me something to comment on, since I've been thinking about stuff most of the day but haven't been able to get here to post them.
Erin, great point about Charlie. I am one of the few that haven't wanted to see Charlie back because his death was truly a self-sacrifice -- because he really didn't have to die that way, he could have run out of the room, joined Des, and swum up to safety. But I think he knew he was destined for death, and accepted it, for Claire and Aaron's sake. (not to mention the fact that I have a low opinion of actors that quit a show because they think they're too big for it and then change their mind and want to come back cough cough Denise Crosby.)
Well I still have a bunch of posts to read, but I wanted to add my 2 cents before I got too tired to write them. Hopefully, some thoughts are new. (Then if I can stay awake, I'll finish reading the rest of the posts since I so enjoy them.)
OFF ISLAND
I really like Jack in the otherverse, He seems calm, rational, caring and thoughtful, very Zen. He’s also very sober. They made a point that Jack is not interested in burying any demons with drink or pills.
It seems obvious that there is some bleed through from the island timeline when we see Jack look in the mirror and notice the appendix scar. He seems confused when he sees it and his question to his mother confirms that confusion. When she asks him if he remembers having it out at 8 years old, he says “I guess so”, but he is not very convincing. Is there a latent memory that tells him the operation was more recent? It is curious to note that he notices the scar while looking in the mirror; just like he did when he noticed the cut on his neck on the airplane. Are mirrors some sort of metaphor for the life experienced on the island?
There is a lot of speculation about whom David’s mother is and that may or may not be important. The possibilities for not seeing her include:
1) It’s Sarah but Julie Benz (I think that is her name) was unwilling or unable to fly to Hawaii for what would be no more than a cameo appearance.
2) It doesn’t matter who the mother is because the story was really about Jack as a father and their father/son dynamic.
3) It’s Juliet and they are saving that reveal for later in the season because they are planning a bigger bang for that reveal. Perhaps in a Sawyer-centric it will provide a crossover connection between Sawyer and Jack in the off island timeline. The case for Juliet makes some sense. Juliet could have met Jack in medical school and sometime thereafter as they are both doctors. It would explain their connection on island, but their not being able to make a go of it. (They were not “meant to be” in either timeline.)
I’m sure part of the reason that we didn’t see Jack’s ex-wife is that Darlton want fans to be wondering about this. They want to give answers, but they still want to titillate.
To me, the most curious thing about Jack having a son is his age. He appears to be in his mid teens. If that is the case, Jack would have had to be married much earlier in his life than the original timeline. Does this make more of a case for Juliet? Did he meet Sarah some other way than through a car accident? If the car accident didn’t happen or didn’t happen the way it did in the original timeline, is it possible that Shannon’s father didn’t die? If Rutherford didn’t die, was Shannon able to go to ballerina school as she planned? A lot of possibilities here. The off island story was a simple one, but the ramifications could be huge.
ON ISLAND
Lots to think about here as well.
Jack’s run in with Kate is curious. It certainly shows a turn of events in this show. In season 2, The Hunting Party, Jack, Locke and Sawyer go after Michael. Kate wants to come along, but Jack refuses to let her, so she follows without letting them know it because she doesn’t want to be left out of the mission. Here Jack wants her to come with him, but she is not interested in his mission, she has her own and it doesn’t involve him or Sawyer. What a turnaround for both characters.
Jacob gives Hurley and Jack a mission to get them out of the Temple. Jack has something important to do. That almost sounds as though it’s a single, finite thing. Could it be something other than being the island protector?
Obviously, Hurley and Jack are more important than any of the others. (Was that being emphasized by having Jack’s name on the wheel larger and bolder than any other? We never saw Hurley’s name.) Jacob only was interested in getting them away. He doesn’t appear to be interested in Sayid’s welfare (although his name was also bold compared to Ford and the others around it on the wheel), Miles or anyone else at the Temple. Miles, of course, was a candidate, but his name has been crossed out while Sayid may no longer be a candidate if he has truly been “claimed”.
We can assume UnLocke is the danger heading to the temple probably with Sawyer, Claire, and Jin by his side. Is Sawyer truly with UnLocke or is he biding his time? I think Sawyer felt he had little choice but to join UnLocke despite the fact that UnLocke gave him 3 options. After his run in with Richard, to choose anything other than what UnLocke wanted him to, could mean death. So the choice was obvious. But in his grief and bitterness, it may be a choice he would have made anyway. Claire is obviously a fan of UnLocke and right now Jin is in self-preservation mode. Can UnLocke recruit Jin? Promising Jin that he can unite Jin with Sun and get them both off the island and back to their daughter might be enough incentive for Jin to join UnLocke’s ranks.
At this point, Kate is the wild card. UnLocke did not mention her in the cave, so he may be unaware of her candidacy (but her name is on Jacob’s wheel in the Lighthouse and it is not crossed out). She is not heading to the Temple, so she may be safer than Sun, Ben, Frank, and Ilana who are.
My final ramblings about the lighthouse (I can’t take any more!):
The image of Jack’s house in the mirror is in front of Hurley and the pillar behind him. Since Hurley is closer to the mirror shouldn’t he actually be blocking the image of the house?
If the numbers represent the direction the mirrors should face to see images of where the corresponding individual lives(d), then the bearing to #4 Locke would be only 4 degrees east of north putting the island really close to the coast of Mexico (assuming Locke was in California). The others 8,15,16,23,42 and 51 would also be in the northeast quadrant, but Jarah and Kwon should be west of the island. I just can’t make sense out of numbers representing directions on a compass.
Was the whole idea of the lighthouse just an illusion for Jack’s benefit? Someone please tell me it was so I can stop trying to figure out how the darn thing works.
Wow Deb some really great points. I especially liked the parts about Shannon's father and Jin in self-preservation mode.
BTW for anyone who is interested in the list of candidates both in the lighthouse and in the cave, Lostpedia has a pretty thorough list that even includes discrepancies between the two lists.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob%27s_candidates
(And no I don't work for Lostpedia, I just found it long before I found this place, and it is a place where you can find out about anything LOSTian.)
It's interesting how season 4 kind of presented a dry run for the "sides" that people are now taking. Locke, Sawyer and Claire on one side so far (seemingly at least). In season 4 Hurley went with Locke but admitted to Jack off island that he should have gone with Jack and has done so here. Kate is sort of doing her "floaty" thing at the moment.
I wonder if Miles and Ben will end up being prisoners of team Locke like they were (at first) in New Otherton? And will Sayid resist joining Locke, even though he's infected? Sun and Jin went with Jack in season 4, but Sun was tempted to go to Locke later on until Juliet ratted on Sun to Jin.
I like the parallels.
@Tiasabita – If you mean Sun was not dead, yeah, I guess it is possible she can get infected, but she has to some how be mortally wounded first. If you did mean Charlotte, I thought we watched her die, but maybe she was “mostly dead”. I would not be surprised if we saw her again since she wasn’t buried, but I think she was too dead to be infected. But, this is all unproven theory, so who knows…..
@Erin – yeah, Charlie’s sacrifice. I think Claire (and Locke, and Sayid) will somehow be redeemed. They are going to have to do it, otherwise there would be too many depressed fans stalking Darlton.
@Deb – good point about all the implications of David’s age and Jack being married much earlier. It would be interesting if Shannon’s father were still alive. I also like the idea that Jack has a “thing” to do, not just be a general protector. Each of the candidates may have a thing to do, and once they have done them, their names are crossed off. And Kate is a wild card. I am curious to see how the all end up in one place, maybe at the temple, post-FLocke invasion.
@paleoblues – if we believe in the magic of the lighthouse, then maybe the images are not “reflected” from facing a place, but are “pulling up” the image when lined up with a number. Then Hurley standing in front of the mirrors would be like standing in front of a TV or pc. That wouldn’t block the image from coming up. And it would explain how you could see images if the mirrors are facing the island, and how it gets around the whole “curvature of the earth” thing. Hope that helps. It helped me.
@Deb - another thing I was thinking about the wheel. You can see Jarrah and Shephard as heavier, darker names. Maybe they were written in more recently? That would blow the Christian theory, but explain why Ford is neat and faded.
And Miles is crossed off because he has already served his purpose? He did kind of reconcile with his dad before time jumping. AND he conveyed Juliet's message. His main purpose of late has been to comment on Hurley's status. I'm not feeling good about Miles' longevity....
Maybe Sayid and Jack (and Hurley for that matter) weren't candidates until Jacob touched them before they came back to the Island. That's why their names are darker and Ford and Austin are lighter? Remember, Jack wasn't "on Jacob's list" back in S3.
Just a random thought
@JS - yeah, I meant 'if Charlotte was dead', not 'was NOT dead'! And since we didn't see her buried if her body could somehow have been used or infected. Thanks for correcting me. I just deleted the comment cuz it sounded too crazy! I can't watch iceskating and read about LOST!
@The Leonard's:
I thought it was just a loose stone, lighter in color than the cave wall (so it could be used like chalk) and not an actual piece of chalk, but I could be wrong.
@paleoblues: Was the whole idea of the lighthouse just an illusion for Jack’s benefit? Someone please tell me it was so I can stop trying to figure out how the darn thing works.
I can't tell you it was just an illusion definitively, but my take on it was similar to JS's: that it worked less like a "real" lighthouse would and more like a TV that was broadcasting images onto the mirrors. The numbers were like TV channels: turn to channel 4, watch Locke, channel 23, Jack, etc.
So, you know, a magic lighthouse.
At least, that was how I rationalized it so I didn't also go crazy trying to figure how it could possibly work like a regular lighthouse. :)
Little late to the party, but just wanted to throw in my two cents.
LOVED it when Jack found Shannon's asthma inhaler. This was a callback to last summer's Comic Con when Jorge Garcia asked Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof about what was or wasn't going to get answered by the show's end, and Jorge said we never found out about Shannon's asthma inhaler. Sawyer didn't have it...so where did it go?
I love that Carlton and Damon, who wrote this episode, acknowledge what was a silly question and actually addressed it in the show. Hilarious.
I think that the sixth season is heading towards a final confrontation between Jack (recruited or chosen, as you prefer, by Jacob) and Sawyer (recruited or chosen by not-Locke) as a means to decide who is to become the island's keeper. They have been primed for this confrontation for a long time and now Juliet's death has definitively turned Sawyer against Jack. Until now, they both tolerated each other, not anymore. Now Sawyer hates Jack and will not hesitate to kill him. They are the kings of the black and white pieces of the chessboard, and all the other current inhabitants of the island, and all the people who have arrived there in the past (the Black Rock sailors, the Nigerian drug dealers, the Rousseau expedition, the Dharma Initiative folks, the Widmore gang...) are pawns in this deadly game between Jacob and not-Locke. Pawns are irrelevant, sometimes a good chess movement requires the sacrifice of a lesser piece. All of them are being manipulated in this game of strategy. Who will win in the end and retain the island (and maybe Kate as his queen)?
@JS & Teebore: My comments came just before finally going to bed last night. Just as my head hit the pillow it came to me, too. There must be a mini laptop computer in the center of the "compass" that projects powerpoint presentations up onto the mirror (or as you suggest something to that effect). I can live with that. Then the geometry and geography wouldn't make any difference.
I still wonder if it was "programmed" just for Jack's benefit or if anyone who went up there would be able to pull in their "channel". And why Jack went all bonkers thinking he's been "watched" by Jacob just because he saw an image of his house.
Thanks for the input. Now I can relax (and try to figure out how the island moves or could sink or be volcanic or how parallel universes could exist, etc, etc.)
Verf ...dialogin: signing in with a rotary phone
After a VERY long commute back to Canada (where I was hit with the first real snowstorm when I woke up this morning... nice to be back...) I'm just now trying to catch up on comments left since Wed night. Whew!
Matt: Welcome to the blog! KILLER first post! I loved some of your observations, especially on the parallels between the Miles/Hurley discussion and the MiB/Jacob one.
Anonymous: I would've thought that if they had to give him a kid they would name Jack's son Geronimo
Geronimo Jack's son. HAHAHA!!! That made me laugh out loud.
verif word: "praysi" What Kate had better start doing if Claire gets anywhere close to her.
Oh, and by the way, as soon as the kids were in bed last night when we got home, and before I started unpacking, I turned on the telly and watched the last 2 minutes. It was pretty awesome. The one thing that actually struck me about it was Jin's manipulation of Claire. Have we EVER seen him pull something like that, lying to someone's face and offering to lead them somewhere that could be a trap? I don't think I've ever seen that side of Jin -- even when he was working for Paik he was just following orders.
CBP68: I agree that Claire could see it was not Locke. Sawyer knew it was not Locke. Did anyone read "The Shack"? Where one could see the ultra light crystals that surrounds a person.
It also reminds me of Fringe, where Olivia can see the sparkles around a person who's from the other universe.
TM Lawrence: Great post!
Virginia Woolf’s “To The Lighthouse” is the must-read subtext for the father-son alienation and reconciliation covered in this episode, with several other tie-ins (a boar’s skull, impermanence of beauty, freewill, staring into the sea, and stream-of-consciousness story-telling) that relate to the broader texture of Lost.
Excellent catch! I'm a big fan of Ginny, but haven't read To the Lighthouse in probably 10 years, so I'll definitely have to reread it in the context of this episode! (The Waves is my personal fave.)
Evan: So I have a theory on Adam and Eve that I don't think has been mentioned anywhere yet.
What if they are Jacob and MiB...?
I don't think we have ever known for a fact that MiB is actually a man? What if that's just the forms we've seen him in.
I LOVE that you said this. I've been waiting for someone to say this, simply because in my post last week about the nature of the Man in Black (the one where I reference humanebean's post on him) I had originally written, "Or what if Jacob and the Man in Black were actually man and wife, and MiB is actually FEMALE?!" And then I erased that section of it, deciding to focus on the other part of it. And when I tried to posit that theory to my husband, he looked at me like I was a crackpot (not that he doesn't look at me that way every day). So I decided maybe that's one to store away somewhere else...
Absolute last ramblings from the lighthouse. (I knew I wouldn't be able to let it go so easily).
Using Teebore's excellent channel analogy:
Hurley tells Jack to tell him when he gets to 108. As the pointer passes 108 Jack first sees the “Kwon marriage temple” (Kwon is 42). Jack doesn’t tell him to stop. He sees the image of “Sawyer’s church” (Ford is 15). Jack says stop. They discuss. Hurley continues moving the pointer. When Jack takes over the pointer is down to around 37 and then goes to 23. Passing the “channels” in reverse order (42,23,16,15) Sawyer’s image is out of place and Jarah’s is missing.
Also, they seemed to have been expecting Jacob to be there and then he abruptly appears later. I think he was there the whole time in the “projection booth” running the whole show, ie it was specifically for Jack’s benefit, the images didn’t actually have to come “in order” and they were being completely manipulated by Jacob.
Verf: somlec ...... somlec it Hoth
Or what if Jacob and the Man in Black were actually man and wife, and MiB is actually FEMALE?!
I am glad you said this. I think the way MiB said "Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you?" was...well, quite sensual. As it weird as it seems. Watch it again and pretend he is saying something not as scary.
"Do you have any idea how badly I want to snuggle you?"
Wow...I just blew up the image of Joan Crawford's icon so I could make out what it's supposed to be. Creepy!! Kinda reminds me of Claire's hideous creature-baby! Yikes!
@Donna S. - Yeah, it's awesome! It's Zombie Joan - Evil Blam made it :D
@paleoblues: I think he was there the whole time in the “projection booth” running the whole show
Oh, I like that idea.
Oh my goodness! I couldn't watch the episode until yesterday—but I am finally caught up!
Wow! What an amazing episode! I loved seeing the images in the lighthouse! I also really liked Jacob's super-blasé reaction to Jack smashing the mirrors. It's like Jacob wanted the mirrors smashed, and he knew Jack was the only one emo enough to do it.
What if the lighthouse belongs to Smokie, and it was protected by some sort of rule? And Jacob used Jack to break it—finding the loophole, the way that Smokie used Ben to kill Jacob? That would be cool, eh? I just wonder if that's what's up because Jacob really didn't seem to care about the mirrors being broken. Hmm...I've always wondered about where that Jacob's loyalties lie: good or evil?
@Nikki
I know, right? I was most shocked by Jin's manipulation of Claire.
VW: hesome
When you're as handsome as He-Man, you're hesome.
Jenn: It's like Jacob wanted the mirrors smashed, and he knew Jack was the only one emo enough to do it.
LOL!!!!
I was talking to a friend and mentioned how Clair has become Rousseau. It got me to thinking, what if we are coming full circle. The Losties become The Others - another plane crash - and the cycle starts all over again. Thought it was kind of a cool ending.
Just a guess on the subject of who David's mother could be. I am voting for Gabriela, from "The Hunting Party". In LA X world, Gabriela's father may have survived his surgery under Jack's care. Jack was already in the process of divorce from Sarah. So it would be inevitable he might fall in love with Gabriela.
Since we are following Seasons 1 and 2, the Lighthouse follows What Kate Does, so in Season 2 What Kate Did precedes The Hunting Party. So perhaps we should look into this episode to find David's mother.
Just a random thought, but Desmond's mural in the Swan contains the image of an eye, with M SICK--could this be a hint that the island is sick? Locke said he looked "into the eye of the island" and if we take his word at face value, then we might interpret the image of the eye in the mural as being the island's. But why might the island be sick?
Claire's concern that if anything will get you it is infection, may be a clue. Essentially the island is infected, and it is this which is causing the problems with fertility on the island. So far we've been introduced to the idea of sickness as something coming from outside and against which Desmond had been told to innoculate himself. The quarantine sign on the inside of the Swan and Arrow also comment on the idea of infection/sickness as pervasive among the inhabitants. Yet, in this season, the infection is reformulated as metaphysical, as if infection is a personification of evil which seeps into the heart destroying the individual.
We have also seen infection as auto-disease. Cancer on Ben's spine, the appendix in Jack. Pursuing a yin-yang model of balance, the island can be said to be out of balance, and is suffering from a disease much as Ben or Jack did. In these two cases, the need of a surgeon was required to remove the infected organ or cancer. Over the course of the seasons, we have seen how Dharma has been treated as an infection, first in the Purge, and later through Locke's actions destroying physical remnants of their presence: Swan, Flame, sub, and even the Looking Glass was made inoperable by Mikhail.
Turning to Adam and Eve, the Genesis story tells us they were living in Eden, a paradise. Supposedly, the island may have been that paradise, but if so then why are they still in it, if only in bodily form? Having eaten from the tree of knowledge, they were removed from the garden. LOST offers an other possibility, that Adam and Eve, whomever they are on the show, are casualties of the sickness/infection prevalent on the island.
Another example of the infection is the Temple spring, which has clouded and gone murky. When we see Jacob checking it out, it remains murky, indicating the infection is still spread throughout the island. Jacob's instructions to Hurley to take Jack with him to the lighthouse was meant as an attempt to preserve two candidates who might salvage the situation. Whether smashing the mirrors is part of that process is up for grabs. But it seems part of the learning arc Jack is on.
Returning to Claire's infection, we have to wonder how she might reconcile her claim that the Others have Aaron with the mock-up in the crib? The baboon skulled "doll" is a substitute, just as Locke/MiB is a substitute for the original Locke. But Claire can see this Locke as "her friend" and not Locke, a mistkae Jin makes. Clearly then, she can distinguish between the "doll" in the crib and the baby she beleives the Others have. But like Rousseau she is unable to distinguish the passage of time. For Claire the infection has made all time, one time. Claire, in a sense, is living what figures such as MiB and Jacob naturally perceive--timelessness. And that may be one of the clues to the island's sickness/infection, that time is off center (as Faraday noted, the light, a metaphor for time, does not distribute properly on the island).
So if I might take a stab at an idea for the infection, perhaps in the course of bringing people to the island, Jacob introduced some group, most likely Dharma, whose actions affected or infected the island. Perhaps as Radzinsky drilled into the pocket, he inadvertantly created the infection, much as when Jack accidentally nicked the dural sac, spilling out the spinal nerves. Someone has to count to 5 and repair the damage.
Re: the scary thing in Claire's "baby's" crib... I immediately thought of "Rosemary's Baby". In the movie, the crib's netting was "black", Claire's netting was a scary dark color too. And weren't those followers "infected" too? Freaky..
So, I totally didn't see who Claire's "friend" was going to be. I feel stupid it was sort of obvious. Why would she be SO upset about Kate raising/taking Aaron? Technically SHE left HIM, right?
Yes, Claire had left Aaron in the jungle. She just doesn't know it. As far as she knew, the Others had taken Aaron. I think that scene made it obvious that Claire had been infected was not aware of her own actions.
Now, the line about killing Kate, yeah, that was pretty crazy. I'm just not willing to lump all of Claire's actions into crazytown.
That wasn't crazytown. Claire was reacting to the knowledge that Kate had her son for several years . . . without her knowledge or consent. Granted, Claire had abandoned Aaron in the jungle, but I got the feeling that she was unaware of her actions. And Claire's abandonment did not give Kate the right to keep Aaron. Claire must have wondered why Kate never bothered to find her family in Australia.
Another outstanding performance by Matthew Fox. It's a pity that no one noticed. I guess it's more important to jeer at his character for not being a traditional hero.
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